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Mike McCarthy - What Happened in Green Bay?

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rayzor Grand Master

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It does make me feel a little better about the possibility, but just a little and it also makes me more apprehensive. Too focused on offense putting defense on the back burner? My feeling remains that he would be an offensive version of Rivera. It's just taking it to a different level.

Also, message getting old after 5 years? I'm thinking no matter who we pick, unless we get a Lombardi in the first 5 years, we need to be moving on in 5 years and starting all over with a new HC. It's just too big of a thing to ignore or overlook. Unless a head coach gets a ring in the first 5 years, it's not going to happen. After 5 years, things go south. HCs peak in their first 5 and after that messages get old and old players become complacent. 

Rebuild every 5 years unless you've got a situation that has risen to the top and is able to sustain that level. I see no indication that this should not be the case.

This biggest and hardest thing for me to get over is the reality that no HC has win a Lombardi with two different teams. Those are just odds that I can't take on and I challenge anyone who puts stock in analytics to frame that in such a way that it could be seen as a risk to take on.

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5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

It does make me feel a little better about the possibility, but just a little and it also makes me more apprehensive. Too focused on offense putting defense on the back burner? My feeling remains that he would be an offensive version of Rivera. It's just taking it to a different level.

Also, message getting old after 5 years? I'm thinking no matter who we pick, unless we get a Lombardi in the first 5 years, we need to be moving on in 5 years and starting all over with a new HC. It's just too big of a thing to ignore or overlook. Unless a head coach gets a ring in the first 5 years, it's not going to happen. After 5 years, things go south. HCs peak in their first 5 and after that messages get old and old players become complacent. 

Rebuild every 5 years unless you've got a situation that has risen to the top and is able to sustain that level. I see no indication that this should not be the case.

This biggest and hardest thing for me to get over is the reality that no HC has win a Lombardi with two different teams. Those are just odds that I can't take on and I challenge anyone who puts stock in analytics to frame that in such a way that it could be seen as a risk to take on.

A head coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams has to happen eventually. Is McCarthy that guy? I don't know. If he is hired as head coach of the Panthers and Cam is the QB, it just continues his trend of working with HOF caliber QB's. I wonder if his interest is tied to the fact he wants to work with an established QB? Is he trying to sell the fact he squeezed some wins out of Joe Montana and Brett Favre at the end of their careers? Who knows.

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1 minute ago, hepcat said:

A head coach winning a Super Bowl with 2 teams has to happen eventually. Is McCarthy that guy? I don't know. If he is hired as head coach of the Panthers and Cam is the QB, it just continues his trend of working with HOF caliber QB's. I wonder if his interest is tied to the fact he wants to work with an established QB? Is he trying to sell the fact he squeezed some wins out of Joe Montana and Brett Favre at the end of their careers? Who knows.

Helping a great QB finish strong while working to develop a young QB? I can get behind that. 

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21 minutes ago, rayzor said:

It does make me feel a little better about the possibility, but just a little and it also makes me more apprehensive. Too focused on offense putting defense on the back burner? My feeling remains that he would be an offensive version of Rivera. It's just taking it to a different level.

Also, message getting old after 5 years? I'm thinking no matter who we pick, unless we get a Lombardi in the first 5 years, we need to be moving on in 5 years and starting all over with a new HC. It's just too big of a thing to ignore or overlook. Unless a head coach gets a ring in the first 5 years, it's not going to happen. After 5 years, things go south. HCs peak in their first 5 and after that messages get old and old players become complacent. 

Rebuild every 5 years unless you've got a situation that has risen to the top and is able to sustain that level. I see no indication that this should not be the case.

This biggest and hardest thing for me to get over is the reality that no HC has win a Lombardi with two different teams. Those are just odds that I can't take on and I challenge anyone who puts stock in analytics to frame that in such a way that it could be seen as a risk to take on.

A HC’s success is directly tied to the QB he has to work with. Same can be said of a QB’s success. Pete Carrol was fired from two different nfl teams before finally landing the draft lottery and getting Wilson (plus that defense). You can say the same about Belachick, Tomlin, McCarthy, etc. 

It’s hard to land a great nfl QB twice as a HC. Not impossible though.

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26 minutes ago, rayzor said:

It does make me feel a little better about the possibility, but just a little and it also makes me more apprehensive. Too focused on offense putting defense on the back burner? My feeling remains that he would be an offensive version of Rivera. It's just taking it to a different level.

Also, message getting old after 5 years? I'm thinking no matter who we pick, unless we get a Lombardi in the first 5 years, we need to be moving on in 5 years and starting all over with a new HC. It's just too big of a thing to ignore or overlook. Unless a head coach gets a ring in the first 5 years, it's not going to happen. After 5 years, things go south. HCs peak in their first 5 and after that messages get old and old players become complacent. 

Rebuild every 5 years unless you've got a situation that has risen to the top and is able to sustain that level. I see no indication that this should not be the case.

This biggest and hardest thing for me to get over is the reality that no HC has win a Lombardi with two different teams. Those are just odds that I can't take on and I challenge anyone who puts stock in analytics to frame that in such a way that it could be seen as a risk to take on.

Agree with pretty much all of this. The no HC winning a Lombardi for the first time after 5 years with a new team thing seems massive and mind blowing and looks suspiciously like a little known fact that the establishment NFL and especially coaches is fine with everyone overlooking. I'm not completely against McCarthy but that bit about how badly he ignored the D as a HC was a big red flag to me too. No HC should ignore an entire side of the ball.

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I'm still terrified of McCarthy.  Read the whole article, not just the excerpts.  There are multiple sources in the article saying that McCarthy failed to change and adapt.  This is exactly what we had with Riverboat, except offensively instead of defensively.

Sure, the article confirms what everyone continues to say:  "Rodgers is a prick".  Ok, I get it.  But it doesn't give McCarthy a lot of credit either.  Getting massages while assistants run meetings?  Not wanting to bring in assistants who might challenge you?  Man, that's too much like what we already had.

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8 minutes ago, Tbe said:

A HC’s success is directly tied to the QB he has to work with. Same can be said of a QB’s success. Pete Carrol was fired from two different nfl teams before finally landing the draft lottery and getting Wilson (plus that defense). You can say the same about Belachick, Tomlin, McCarthy, etc. 

It’s hard to land a great nfl QB twice as a HC. Not impossible though.

That depends somewhat on their system though.

John Fox wanted a quarterback that only did the minimum. He didn't believe in franchise quarterbacks.

Ron Rivera wanted a quarterback that could basically be the whole offense so that he could focus all his resources on the defense.

As far as our candidates, a guy like Josh McDaniels has had success with a pocket passer who distributes the ball to his playmakers.

Someone like Eric Bieniemy though might want a quarterback with more of his own playmaking potential.

Who we get as a head coach might go a long way towards deciding what kind of quarterback we have for the future.

 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That depends somewhat on their system though.

John Fox wanted a quarterback that only did the minimum. He didn't believe in franchise quarterbacks.

You know, looking back, this seems incredibly dumb thing for a HC in the modern NFL to believe. One need only examine the list of SB winners and their qb's to come to a very different conclusion.

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