does anyone here trust marty hurney with the rebuild

[frash.exe]

54 minutes ago, Woodie said:

First of all, that was the draft that took place after the fallout between Fox and the team as he led into his lame duck season.  So, he wasn't overly involved with the draft. 

Also, it was one person who knew a scout at the time that said Marty was trying to trade up, but I've heard from others in the know that was not the case.  Other teams were calling to see if he was willing to trade up (he had a reputation for bad deals by that time).  Yes, there were discussions inside the room, but it was more of a "what do you think" discussion than a "I want this guy, lets do it" discussion where he had to be talked out of it.  

that just proves my point that left to his own devices, hurney will screw up bad. why are you guys willing to settle for a GM that can’t evaluate talent on his own? in a good collaboration, the participants contribute their individual skills to make a whole that is better than the sum of their parts. that means you lean on the GM for their vision, their ability to evaluate talent, their negotiating skills especially during the offseason. you lean on the coach to develop the talent and put the pieces in the right places and maximize their skills during the regular season.

the dynamic ppl are describing now between tepper, hurney, and rhule is less like a collaboration between great minds and more like a 100 level economics group project where two guys do all the work and the other guy just sits there and eats orange slices.

[thefuzz]

22 minutes ago, Ship said:

I’m not arguing that. All the other threads about Luke talk about Rivera’s failures. I’m saying it’s ridiculous to say we had so much talent (brought in by Marty) then come here and say he can’t find talent. It’s also not relevant whether Marty hired Rivera. JR was the owner and wanted the family/culture/defensive football head coach and Marty hired him. Tepper wants young offense and process oriented coaches. Marty helped pick Rhule but wasn’t initially sold on him. Marty does what he’s told. He’s not a mastermind. And he didn’t have final say on the head coach we hired. But he does a good job giving people what they want. He’s brought in all the major talent on our team for basically the entire existence. I do trust him to continue to do so. Rhule and his coaches will have to provide the wins on the field.

"Major Talent" as you called it don't mean squat.

Many here are happy that Marty brings in BIG NAMES, and are perfectly fine with all the losing.

I'd be perfectly fine not knowing the name of a single player on this team if we were going to the playoffs every season.

 

[Fox007]

If my life was on the line and me and Hurney were kidnapped and someone was like..."all he has to do is wipe his ass by himself" I'd not trust him...I'd be dead.

[Soul Rebel]

55 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Spotting first round talent is his thing, he’s trash after that.

Then we should rebrand his position as “First Round Director of Selection” and find ourselves a real GM. There isn’t much Hurney does right outside of this.

[Ship]

14 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

"Major Talent" as you called it don't mean squat.

Many here are happy that Marty brings in BIG NAMES, and are perfectly fine with all the losing.

I'd be perfectly fine not knowing the name of a single player on this team if we were going to the playoffs every season.

 

I don’t know what you’re even talking about. “Major talent doesn’t mean squat.” - ok, so maybe if we don’t have anyone with any talent we’ll start winning?

Cam was a big name in college but had plenty of questions in the NFL. DJ and Brian Burns aren’t exactly big names. Peppers was a big name in college. Luke wasn’t known by half the board here. Olsen was liked in college but wasn’t big time when he came here. Thomas Davis was ignored for years outside of Carolina. Jordan Gross wasn’t a big name anywhere. Stewart and DeAngelo were also ignored nationally. 
 

Signing Bruce Irvin, Dontari Poe, and Gerald McCoy were his only big name signings. And even they weren’t blockbuster guys.

No one’s arguing for a roster full of big names. So what are you even talking about?

[thefuzz]

13 minutes ago, Ship said:

I don’t know what you’re even talking about. “Major talent doesn’t mean squat.” - ok, so maybe if we don’t have anyone with any talent we’ll start winning?

Cam was a big name in college but had plenty of questions in the NFL. DJ and Brian Burns aren’t exactly big names. Peppers was a big name in college. Luke wasn’t known by half the board here. Olsen was liked in college but wasn’t big time when he came here. Thomas Davis was ignored for years outside of Carolina. Jordan Gross wasn’t a big name anywhere. Stewart and DeAngelo were also ignored nationally. 
 

Signing Bruce Irvin, Dontari Poe, and Gerald McCoy were his only big name signings. And even they weren’t blockbuster guys.

No one’s arguing for a roster full of big names. So what are you even talking about?

He's great in the 1st doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't win games.  Hurney has proven, since he has been here, that he cannot consistently field winning teams.

 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Navy_football said:

The biggest issue I have with Hurney is his disregard for athletic measurables. No other sport relies on pure athleticism as much as football players - which is why most players look like body builders. But Marty will be like, oh a running back that runs a 4.8 forty, or a DB that runs a 4.7? Oh I just have a feeling about that guy. Let's get him in the 3rd round. 

And there are numerous examples of great athletic guys who can't play football. It has to be both the athleticism and evidence on the field of football acumen.  Everything I have read since Hurney came back was that he emphasized speed and athleticism and was doing everything to make the team faster and more athletic. You must be talking about years ago or concentrating on a guy like Gaulden. From what I can tell Gaulden wasn't Hurney's type like Burns and Moore were.

[Anybodyhome]

I wouldn't trust Hurney rebuilding a paper airplane, let alone an NFL franchise.

[KillerBill]

I would not trust him if we had the 49ers roster.  He has been dragging this team through the gutter for 20 years.

[Mr. Scot]

Not to read into anything, but Joe Person retweeted this from The Athletic's Steelers writer covering Art Rooney's presser.

 

[Wanderlai]

Nope he will screw everything up. Overpay and underdraft is what he does best. He hit on a few elite guys and has made a career off it. 

[Toolbox]

I hate hurney so fuging much.. he is a leech that somehow has a death grip on this franchise.. burn off the leech tepper!

[teeray]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

But the teams Hurney built around that core couldn't even reach 500, and if you wanna go that route don't forget that Marty's Super Bowl team had a pretty significant imprint from George Seifert.Throw in that even after someone came in and fixed his mess and Richardson handed a playoff worthy team back to him, it was one of the worst teams in the league within just two years of Hurney control.

An NFL GM's job isn't to get two, three or even ten great players. It's to build a team, a full roster of 53 plus that are capable of winning a championship. Marty's had fourteen chances to do that and only came close three times, two of which were with a Seifert influenced roster. And if you look at how the team has trended, it's pretty clear that the longer Marty is in charge, the worse the team gets.

He's not good enough. Never was. Never will be.

Now you are just blaming Marty Hurney for Cam being hurt last two years.  That is a bad faith argument

[Mr. Scot]

47 minutes ago, teeray said:

Now you are just blaming Marty Hurney for Cam being hurt last two years.  That is a bad faith argument

Was Newton part of the defense?

Or the offensive line?

Did he choose to go with the backups we had?

Or the kicker we kept over the one we let go?

How did the Saints do with a backup quarterback?

Or the Titans?

What went wrong with Marty's other ten losing seasons?

Yeah yeah I know, it's everybody's fault but Marty's.

The guy in charge of building the roster can't be blamed if it happens to suck.