Burrow and the Bengals

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Not only is Little a question mark from a talent stand point but he also has durability concerns. And again this is just ONE of MANY examples of Hurney trading up for a player that had no business being drafted where they were drafted at. You asked me for a recent example of Hurney trading up to draft a player he likely could have gotten of he stayed at the original pick. You are the one who is CONSTANTLY contradicting yourself so I think the question is do YOU even READ what YOU write?

A tually I didn't ask you about trading up for little when we could have gotten him at that position. In fact you just mentioned it now. We were discussing how disasterous Hurney would be if he was told by Rhule to go after Burrow. And you went off on a diatribe about a decade ago and when I called you on it and said he changed and used Benjamin as a example and specifically said it was too early to include Little. You went down the bunny hole on Little which you keep doubling down on. That is what you did.  You jump all around trying to justify your opinion. Don't feel bad, I am struggling to follow you as well. If you throw enough against the wall, you might get something to stick.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This is some weird shtick 

Convincing argument...!!!

[Mr Mojo Risin]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

A tually I didn't ask you about trading up for little when we could have gotten him at that position. In fact you just mentioned it now. We were discussing how disasterous Hurney would be if he was told by Rhule to go after Burrow. And you went off on a diatribe about a decade ago and when I called you on it and said he changed and used Benjamin as a example and specifically said it was too early to include Little. You went down the bunny hole on Little which you keep doubling down on. That is what you did.  You jump all around trying to justify your opinion. Don't feel bad, I am struggling to follow you as well. If you throw enough against the wall, you might get something to stick.

Its clear to me now you actually have no idea or knowledge of what you're talking about and it's useless to have any sort of conversation or debate with you. Hurney sucks at drafting outside of the first round and he sucks at trading up outside of the first round. None of this is a revelation. It's been a known flaw of his for quite some time. Hes never successfully done it and he does it almost every draft. Little was my latest example. I proved it. Thats all I've been talking about in this thread yet you continue to contradict yourself and make up random s***. Carolina Huddle 2020. Lmfao.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

We traded away picks 47 and 77 for a raw prospect who only made it to four games and looked like Byron Bell with both hands tied behind his back for one game. The Saints took McCoy at 48 and likely have Ryan Kalil for a decade. The Broncos took Risner at 41 and likely have their Norwell (our version) for a decade. Both of them were touted in this forum and Little was not. The 2020 draft is tackle loaded, way better than 2019. Hurney got tunnel vision and completely messed up and the huddle for all our glory looks correct. 

You have criticized the move since it was made. What ever happened to waiting for a few years to see if things work out. And then your old revisionist history of who we could have gotten at this position or that if we had stuck where we were.  I don't know if Little was a good or bad move until we see how things go. You can't judge a player even on a rookie year as if that is set in stone. I can think of 2 first rounders in Otah and Benjamin who looked great their rookie year and fizzled out. Then guys like Davis hardly plays his rookie year and ends up being a fantastic linebacker.  So again your whole argument may have some validity if things stay as they are and Little doesn't progress. But you jumped on it way too soon and are riding it way too hard to be taken seriously after only his rookie year 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

4 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You have criticized the move since it was made. What ever happened to waiting for a few years to see if things work out. And then your old revisionist history of who we could have gotten at this position or that if we had stuck where we were.  I don't know if Little was a good or bad move until we see how things go. You can't judge a player even on a rookie year as if that is set in stone. I can think of 2 first rounders in Otah and Benjamin who looked great their rookie year and fizzled out. Then guys like Davis hardly plays his rookie year and ends up being a fantastic linebacker.  So again your whole argument may have some validity if things stay as they are and Little doesn't progress. But you jumped on it way too soon and are riding it way too hard to be taken seriously after only his rookie year 

AGAIN. You asked for a RECENT example of Hurney failing outside of the first round. Then you say it's to early to judge the 2019 draft. It's like being on a hamster wheel with you man! Around and around you go!! The most recent example is LAST YEARS draft. Who knows how Little will progress after his first year but SO FAR a 6th rounder(Daley) has out played him and has shown us more potential. NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR A GUY YOU TRADED UP FOR. Especially when there were other linemen drafted AFTER him that went on to have pretty damn good rookie years. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

And for god sake stop bringing up Benjamin he was drafted by Gettleman. Jesus.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Its clear to me know you actually have no idea or knowledge of what you're talking about and it's useless to have any sort of conversation or debate with you. Hurney sucks at drafting outside of the first round and he sucks at trading up outside of the first round. Hes never successfully done it and he does it almost every draft. Little was my latest example. I proved it. Thats all I've been talking about in this thread yet you continue to contradict yourself and make up random s***. Carolina Huddle 2020. Lmfao.

So when I clarify the string of posts and you actually see what you wrote then you realize your folly and instead of actually admitting you were overblown in your analysis you revert to this.tou are right that debating further is useless. But it isn't because I don't anything but you don't have a defensible argument and just make it worse with each post. Gotta go though heading to the range for some practice. Just so you don't think I gave up.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

So when I clarify the string of posts and you actually see what you wrote then you realize your folly and instead of actually admitting you were overblown in your analysis you revert to this.tou are right that debating further is useless. But it isn't because I don't anything but you don't have a defensible argument and just make it worse with each post. Gotta go though heading to the range for some practice. Just so you don't think I gave up.

Ok bud

[stirs]

Do not trade up.

[hepcat]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

One of those QBs was injured the other lost them the Super Bowl. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Neither of those teams would have even gotten that far without those QBs

[Moo Daeng]

22 hours ago, hepcat said:

Rams and Eagles both made big moves to get their QBs in 2016. One won a Super Bowl and the other went to one 

Neither QB is very good. Goff pretty much sucks 

[stbugs]

26 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You have criticized the move since it was made. What ever happened to waiting for a few years to see if things work out. And then your old revisionist history of who we could have gotten at this position or that if we had stuck where we were.  I don't know if Little was a good or bad move until we see how things go. You can't judge a player even on a rookie year as if that is set in stone. I can think of 2 first rounders in Otah and Benjamin who looked great their rookie year and fizzled out. Then guys like Davis hardly plays his rookie year and ends up being a fantastic linebacker.  So again your whole argument may have some validity if things stay as they are and Little doesn't progress. But you jumped on it way too soon and are riding it way too hard to be taken seriously after only his rookie year 

There’s no revisionist history. Go check out the draft threads. Ask @ncfan and other guys like me in here for the drafts. We all wanted a C/G in the 2nd because unlike Hurney we saw Norwell and Kalil (the good one) leave. We all disliked Little. That’s why people discussed if we should take Bradbury at 16. I said, I’d rather have Burns and McCoy/Jenkins in the 2nd since Bradbury somehow jumped ahead of the other two due to his amazing combine. McCoy had a great combine as well. 4.89 as a 303 pound C with 29 reps on the bench versus a 5.33 tackle who didn’t even participate on the bench? NFL.com had McCoy rated as an instant starter and Little as a chance to become a starter. We used way more draft capital and the Saints got the guy we should have targeted. Simple as that. It’s all in the threads here or feel free to keep your head in the sand and think that a real NFL GM can never be worse than people like me.

I’m not saying that Little has no chance to make it or even be good. I’ve been saying since the pick that we did the wrong thing. We could have had our Ryan Kalil (or even better) and with pick 7 this year we could have our Jordan Gross (or evening better). I’m worried we passed on Kalil for a 10% chance of a Gross and we are going to pass on a 90% Gross because picking a Thomas or Wirfs would be like admitting we again wasted our 2nd and 3rd round picks.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Neither QB is very good. Goff pretty much sucks 

Wentz is pretty damn good, he's just made of glass.

[raz]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Wentz is pretty damn good, he's just made of glass dicks.

[joemac]

6 hours ago, panthers55 said:

And we wouldn't get a 1st for Cam right now let alone a 1st and third.  Maybe a third for him. And anyone who would try and trade CMC should have their football card taken away for stupidity.

People around here love to say poo like that. How the hell do you know?