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Mike Florio: Panthers seem to be poised to try to trade Cam Newton


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3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This a speculation peice. I mean why couldnt they want to see how healthy he is in March before making a decision? 

Probably because the decision was made a long time ago. It seems as if they are just waiting for everyone to get use to the idea before it actually goes down.  If he doesn't pass the physical then what?  He gets cut and they are off the hook.  If he does? You will get more of the same double talk until the shocking (which won't be) news of a trade.  If the trade doesn't happen then they will just ride it out with the same non-committal double talk until the end of next season at which point he will not be re-signed to another contract and simply released.

Unless you believe in miracles that's pretty much how I see this going down.  

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6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Probably because the decision was made a long time ago. It seems as if they are just waiting for everyone to get use to the idea before it actually goes down.  If he doesn't pass the physical then what?  He gets cut and they are off the hook.  If he does? You will get more of the same double talk until the shocking (which won't be) news of a trade.  If the trade doesn't happen then they will just ride it out with the same non-committal double talk until the end of next season at which point he will not be re-signed to another contract and simply released.

Unless you believe in miracles that's pretty much how I see this going down.  

I think a decision was made when Kyle Allen was 5-3 when Ron Rivera's defense looked amazing under his playcalling. Some were even asking if Cam was holding Norv and Ron back due to their systems really not needing a dual threat QB, just a decent pocket passer. Frankly, Kawann short got hurt, the rookies drafted got hurt at LT, I still don't see how Ron got the axe and not Hurney. If anything, Ron's failures were due to not being given the tools to succeed if his starters go down.

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11 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

I think a decision was made when Kyle Allen was 5-3 when Ron Rivera's defense looked amazing under his playcalling. Some were even asking if Cam was holding Norv and Ron back due to their systems really not needing a dual threat QB, just a decent pocket passer. Frankly, Kawann short got hurt, the rookies drafted got hurt at LT, I still don't see how Ron got the axe and not Hurney. If anything, Ron's failures were due to not being given the tools to succeed if his starters go down.

It's possible that had something to do with it. It could have definitely made the decision easier.  Not that Allen was the answer or the sole reason but the fact that it was possible to win with someone other than Cam.   But it all fell apart about the time Ron's defence did.  Everything went to hell after that.  I think that was the final nail in the coffin of the Ron/Cam era.

But like you I'm mystified as to how Hurney has survived all this.

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13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's possible that had something to do with it. It could have definitely made the decision easier.  Not that Allen was the answer or the sole reason but the fact that it was possible to win with someone other than Cam.   But it all fell apart about the time Ron's defence did.  Everything went to hell after that.  I think that was the final nail in the coffin of the Ron/Cam era.

The defense was just plain bad, no doubt. But our starting quarterback throwing the football significantly more to the other team than has own over the course of several weeks was the true nail in the coffin of the 2019 season. At one point the Atlanta Falcons were just toying with us in Charlotte. Matt fugging Ryan was torching us up and down the field, and meanwhile the best Kyle Allen could muster was yet another turnover. Be careful what you wish for.

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What team is going to give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a guy coming off injury and is on a 1 year deal? Chances are we release.Cam and hope we get a comp pick in 2021. No team will trade for him unless Cam agrees to an extension and why would Cam do that? The contract hed be offered will be a lot less than if he gambles on himself and balls out and then hed also get to control what team to go to

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2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

This is the same thing everyone has been regurgitating.

idk why they’ve ignored the comments from those directly involved but unless there was a drastic change in the conversation since Cam’s most recent comments I’m not buying that reporters actually know whether he’ll be traded or not 

Every offseason is like this, with a 24/7/366 [leap year] cycle, there's never enough real stories to report this time of year. Rumor and speculation is all they have. Although, if this story was about, say, Andy Dalton, think you'd be much more inclined to agree with Florio's thought process.

Not sure why you believe anything a team or a player says between the super bowl and the draft. Nobody tells the truth- they can't afford to.

2 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What team is going to give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a guy coming off injury and is on a 1 year deal? Chances are we release.Cam and hope we get a comp pick in 2021. No team will trade for him unless Cam agrees to an extension and why would Cam do that? The contract hed be offered will be a lot less than if he gambles on himself and balls out 

Pretty sure you can't get a comp pick on a guy that's cut, pretty sure it has to be a free agent whose contract expired and wasn't resigned.

And there's probably a few  teams that would give up a pick for Newton, assuming he passes a physical. You'd have him for a year, and could franchise him twice if you wanted to, certainly once. And, you could give a 2020 pick and also a conditional pick in the 2021  draft, depending on how well he played.

 

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2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Probably because the decision was made a long time ago. It seems as if they are just waiting for everyone to get use to the idea before it actually goes down.  If he doesn't pass the physical then what?  He gets cut and they are off the hook.  If he does? You will get more of the same double talk until the shocking (which won't be) news of a trade.  If the trade doesn't happen then they will just ride it out with the same non-committal double talk until the end of next season at which point he will not be re-signed to another contract and simply released.

Unless you believe in miracles that's pretty much how I see this going down.  

Well it is already said that he will probably pass the physical so either way no way a former MVP is cut. That I dont believe has ever happened. I dout its as simple as this tho. This has been the same talk back and forth since was injuried.. No one has any solid info and the person closes to the situation Cam said his piece no one believed him and now the staff is in hush mode. Again if tepper wants to field a competent product Cam is back... no better options on the market that are as price effective with the upside and if we are looking to tank and overhaul he is gone, simple as that to me.

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1 hour ago, falconidae said:

Every offseason is like this, with a 24/7/366 [leap year] cycle, there's never enough real stories to report this time of year. Rumor and speculation is all they have. Although, if this story was about, say, Andy Dalton, think you'd be much more inclined to agree with Florio's thought process.

Not sure why you believe anything a team or a player says between the super bowl and the draft. Nobody tells the truth- they can't afford to.

Pretty sure you can't get a comp pick on a guy that's cut, pretty sure it has to be a free agent whose contract expired and wasn't resigned.

And there's probably a few  teams that would give up a pick for Newton, assuming he passes a physical. You'd have him for a year, and could franchise him twice if you wanted to, certainly once. And, you could give a 2020 pick and also a conditional pick in the 2021  draft, depending on how well he played.

 

Most of it was impromptu besides the cam interview, tepper nor Rhule were coaxed into there answers about cam and wanting to win a super bowl with him in there comments. 
 

andy dalton was benched and they have the first overall pick with a hometown kid as the phenom In position to be picked , that’s a lot more believable and there fo has been consistent with that they are leaning towards moving on from dalton and currently working with him to get him traded. 
 

worlds difference 

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5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This is why I totally think he has kept marty on all this time.  Trot him out to be the face man of cutting cam and then slit his throat.   Tepper is shrewd.

uh, no.  

 

tepper isnt where he is today because hes a coward. the dude makes big decisions and risks a lot on the line. 

 

@TheRed is right.  this is what will make or break Tepper as an owner. Hard decisions to be made. could blow up or pay out. 

 

you are making an assumption because you are a lowly dude on a message board with no real info, like myself. 

 

Tepper is putting his balls on the chopping  block. 

 

edit:  sorry dude my vocab is bad. I thought shrewd meant cowardly. Im not sure of his motives of keeping Marty around, but i do agree that Tepper is cut throat and will swing that axe on anyone. 

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6 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What team is going to give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a guy coming off injury and is on a 1 year deal? Chances are we release.Cam and hope we get a comp pick in 2021. No team will trade for him unless Cam agrees to an extension and why would Cam do that? The contract hed be offered will be a lot less than if he gambles on himself and balls out and then hed also get to control what team to go to

The falcons got a 2nd round pick for WR Sanu who only has one year remaining. I think we can get a 2nd for a 30 year old former MVP QB...

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