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Carolina sticking with Cam


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8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can give you my take on all three of those directions pretty easily.

What I think will happen: I don't know. At this point, the only thing I feel confident saying is that Newton won't get an extension this offseason. Gun to my head, I think he plays here in 2020 but I wouldn't be confident beyond that. I also wouldn't guarantee that he finishes the season healthy given that hasn't happened since 2017 (if then).

What I want to happen: I don't care. Whatever is best for the team, and there are waaayyy too many unknowns to say for certain what that is right now.

What I think is the best option: See answers #1 and 2.

I like this as a template for opinion posts.  

 

What I think will happen: 

What I want to happen: 

What I think is the best option:

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I want to win consistently for the next twenty years.

If it takes four years to get us to that point, I'm okay with it.

Me as well.  Tired of the 3 losing seasons, followed by 12 wins, only to go right back to 6-10 the following year.

Build this thing correctly, not quickly.

 

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Cool cool. Cool cool cool. 

So he's still banged up and nothing can happen in the meantime.  Any Cam specific trade talk is probably rendered a bit premature or off but still curious to how we attack the position with the unknown.  Especially considering how Grier/Allen's play ended up looking by season's end. 

 

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Good. As long as Hurney doesn’t do some dumb poo and sign him to a new contract before he plays a full season, this is great news. A tad surprising Cam doesn’t mind playing on a one year deal, but on the other hand if he’s truly back he’ll be offered much more for his next deal than he would at this point.

Now I fear the oline may not let him stay healthy. This draft should focus on the oline.

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3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is what many of the posters here don't truly realize.  This team is god awful....terrible, from top to bottom.

I can say with certainty, that we have 1 position that is in good shape...1.  Running back.  How exciting.

We need help at every other position group, and have not even started cutting the dead weight around here yet.  We have need at OT, OG, C, TE, QB, and WR.

Also need help at S, CB, LB, DT, and DE.

We literally need help across the board, but people really believe that a "healthy" Cam Newton can take this team to the playoffs?  God I wish my glasses were that rose colored.

Not to mention we have about 47 minutes worth of NFL coaching experience within our coaching ranks, and still have Marty in the Kings Chair.

My biggest question through all of this is "why would Cam even want to play for this team moving forward?"  We have done a pretty piss poor job of surrounding him with talent over his career here, and now he is going to lead the worst roster we have had since 2010?  I just don't quite understand it....maybe he just really really loves Charlotte?

 

P.S. I also keep hearing about Cam having more weapons than he ever has...what if our RB or Moore went down with a season ending injury?  What now?

It's true that this is something a lot of people don't get.

When people talk about us having the potential to have a winning season this year, I just want to ask "Did you watch last season?"

The 2019 Panthers were lacking at way more places than just quarterback.

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4 minutes ago, PantherBrew said:

I like this as a template for opinion posts.  

What I think will happen: 

What I want to happen: 

What I think is the best option:

Maybe that'd help people differentiate between those things.

Seems like some folks can't if it's not specifically stated.

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5 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Good. As long as Hurney doesn’t do some dumb poo and sign him to a new contract before he plays a full season, this is great news. A tad surprising Cam doesn’t mind playing on a one year deal, but on the other hand if he’s truly back he’ll be offered much more for his next deal than he would at this point.

Now I fear the oline may not let him stay healthy. This draft should focus on the oline.

He might "mind" (most players do) given that it's a pretty significant risk for him, but if he stays with the Panthers, that's the only option they're offering.

Mind you, Jourdan Rodrigue reported a while back that if it were up to Marty Hurney and Ron Rivera, Newton would have already been given an extension (likely a big one) but David Tepper nixed the idea.

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I dont care what you guys say. Some retooling along the oline, or stop me if you've heard this before, if one of Marty's draft picks actually pan out outside of the first (Little, Daley) we'll be in even better shape on offense. Will we be playoff bound? Highly unlikely it'll take another season to put a legit defensive unit together but Cam, CMC, Moore, Samuel, and whoever else they decide to bring in with a solid Oline will have the potential to be a very good offensive unit

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