A Lot of Talk About LT ... Are You All Just Dismissing Greg Little?

[Mr. Scot]

Still makes me cringe to think we were excited about Paradis.

[SetfreexX]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

On what basis would we deem him "dependable"?

Draft position doesn't mean jack sh-t if a guy isn't good, at least not to a smart team.

On what basis was Jonah Williams deemed dependable...he was an early draft selection on a bad OL and was out LONGER than Little, so I suppose CIN should take a LT #1...

This is the line of logic you presented here. It's the NFL, you take the BPA, none of the OL have higher grades than Brown, Simmons, and Kinalw potentially in a trade back. We allocated resources in the draft towards the T position (Little, and Daley as a 6th who for a while was the highest rated rookie LT). 

Smart money is on taking care of the defense up front, and adding IOL depth that is available day 2, then bringing in a veteran tackle presence, not a top dollar guy, but someone that can play if the player the team invested multiple picks in turns out to be an injury liability. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, SetfreexX said:

On what basis was Jonah Williams deemed dependable...he was an early draft selection on a bad OL and was out LONGER than Little, so I suppose CIN should take a LT #1...

This is the line of logic you presented here. It's the NFL, you take the BPA, none of the OL have higher grades than Brown, Simmons, and Kinalw potentially in a trade back. We allocated resources in the draft towards the T position (Little, and Daley as a 6th who for a while was the highest rated rookie LT). 

Smart money is on taking care of the defense up front, and adding IOL depth that is available day 2, then bringing in a veteran tackle presence, not a top dollar guy, but someone that can play if the player the team invested multiple picks in turns out to be an injury liability. 

I'm fine with using the #7 pick on the best available player.

I'm not fine with going into next season depending on Greg Little to do something he has yet to show he can do.

Even when he was healthy, he wasn't exactly anything special. And the longer the season went, the worse he got when he did play.

Whether it's by draft, free agency or just moving Taylor Moton (which might actually happen now that Ron Rivera isn't here anymore) we need another option at left tackle.

[thefuzz]

Dismissing?  No.

Worried about NFL players coming off of injuries?  Yes.

If your team is counting on multiple starters, especially big men, coming off injuries to be above average starters...well, you are probably in for a rude awakening.

I have doubts about Poe, Newton, Paradis, Little, Trai, KK, etc...

[Harbingers]

49 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Can he stay healthy and play more than 2 games?

Ya he’s what. A concussion away from being out for a season?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, thefuzz said:

If your team is counting on multiple starters, especially big men, coming off injuries to be above average starters...well, you are probably in for a rude awakening.

You mean like they did last season?

I'd like to think they're not dumb enough to do the same thing again, but then I remember who's in charge. And I remember saying "We're not dumb enough to go into another season without a proven backup quarterback, are we?"

[bababoey]

Little played well early before getting 18485893475754 concussions.  But you do realize with all the numbers you are putting up about pressure rate that in 1 game last year ( Atlanta I think) Little gave up 14 pressures and 2 sacks.  That's not for the season mind you that is for 1 game.  So anytime people say Little is the answer I pump the brakes.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

It is a HUGE risk going in with Little/Daley. A 1st round pick at the position allows us a lot of flexibility and lessens the blow if one of the starting 5 get hurt. Little's concussions are just to big of a risk to bank on him playing a full 16. Not to mention Moton is a FA next year

[thefuzz]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You mean like they did last season?

I'd like to think they're not dumb enough to do the same thing again, but then I remember who's in charge. And I remember saying "We're not dumb enough to go into another season without a proven backup quarterback, are we?"

Cam is coming off injury, and we are having a farewell season to Peppers, TD, Kalil, possibly Olsen....do we need a backup QB?

Marty:  Nah.

Cam is coming off injury, and we just stacked up the defense with run blockers and pass rusher free agents, Olsen came back, but it's probably his last year here, and we have the best RB in the NFL.....do we need a backup QB.

Marty:  Hell's yes we do....check out this rook from QB U.

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, steven8989 said:

Can he stay healthy and play more than 2 games?

Can you give him the opportunity to find out? 

[SetfreexX]

3 minutes ago, bababoey said:

Little played well early before getting 18485893475754 concussions.  But you do realize with all the numbers you are putting up about pressure rate that in 1 game last year ( Atlanta I think) Little gave up 14 pressures and 2 sacks.  That's not for the season mind you that is for 1 game.  So anytime people say Little is the answer I pump the brakes.

Greg Little had 224 snaps, and allowed 3 sacks, that is a 1.339% sacks allowed percentage. (Also 3 penalties in that same span)

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/greg-little/46254

I'm not saying he's elite, but he was a pretty good prospect coming in and with experience should continue to improve. I'm holding off a lot of the OL judgement with guys like Allen / Grier under center, missing open reads. 

I'm not saying ''not to invest in the OL'' I just don't think #7 overall is the place, I think we're better served adding some veteran depth vs having a rookie, and two 2nd year guys as the primary options on the perimeter, I'd prefer a mid tier veteran as the 2nd LT. 

Health is always a concern, but no reports are alerting any health concerns.  

[pantherclaw]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Putting yourself in the position of having to depend on someone who hasn't proven to be dependable is a bad (and frankly stupid) thing to do.

No argument there. 

 

[Madwolf]

Just now, SetfreexX said:

Greg Little had 224 snaps, and allowed 3 sacks, that is a 1.339% sacks allowed percentage. (Also 3 penalties in that same span)

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/greg-little/46254

I'm not saying he's elite, but he was a pretty good prospect coming in and with experience should continue to improve. I'm holding off a lot of the OL judgement with guys like Allen / Grier under center, missing open reads. 

I'm not saying ''not to invest in the OL'' I just don't think #7 overall is the place, I think we're better served adding some veteran depth vs having a rookie, and two 2nd year guys as the primary options on the perimeter, I'd prefer a mid tier veteran as the 2nd LT. 

Health is always a concern, but no reports are alerting any health concerns.  

You amusingly left out the part where he graded out as a 52.7 out of 100 on their ratings scale, which is largely due to how many pressures and hits he gave up

To put this in perspective, Paradis was a 67 out of 100, despite how terrible he was.

So by your own metrics, Little was just short of a dumpster fire last year.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Can you give him the opportunity to find out? 

He will get every single opportunity to prove that he is a top flight offensive tackle, he doesn't need us to let him do that, the coaches will make sure of it.

However, it doesn't mean that we should just blindly put faith in him being up to the task, nor should be ignore the offensive tackle position in this draft because he "had bad injury luck" as a rookie.

I'm scared that Hurney thinks enough of Little that he just needs to get healthy and he will be fine.