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Who are our top 5 players right now?

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Pejorative Miscreant Grand Master

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I don’t see great players after that but there are some good ones like Samuel and  Moten.  I am not fooling myself thinking we are a contender but in the retool quite a few guys can step up and shine at a higher level than they have in the past.  
 

want to look at the positive in this instead of just focusing on not having superstars.  

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How the heck is Short on any of these lists? He missed all last year and was part of that D that was also awful the second half of 2018. The 2019 D didn’t come out of nowhere. 2018 D was losing a lot of games while Cam was struggling to throw it deep but the O was at least keeping us in games. If he’s our 3rd best player with 3 sacks in two years then that’s an issue. I’d release him in a heartbeat. He’s a waste of $13M in salary (new hit to cap).

Right now, DJ and CMC are untouchables and I laugh about trading them or not paying them (still on rookie deals with 5th year). They are our weapons right now. Only weapons.

Here’s my top 5 and this includes potential/who I don’t want to lose:

1. CMC

2. Moore

Bit of a chasm

3. Moton

4. Burns

5. Shaq

I would hope that pick 7 moves up this list very quickly. Heck, I hope pick 38 moves up this list very quickly. My dream is that pick #1 overall next year becomes our top player.

 

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