Hurney not.....bad???? Wut

[kungfoodude]

There is no such thing as a good drafting team in the NFL
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1969794

 

Four-year starters from 2000-15 drafts

TEAM	4-YEAR STARTERS	DRAFT PICKS	PERCENTAGE
Panthers	39	121	32.23
Saints	34	107	31.78
Jets	32	110	29.09
Steelers	37	130	28.46
Ravens	37	132	28.03
Chargers	32	115	27.83
Cowboys	34	125	27.20
Dolphins	33	122	27.05
Jaguars	35	130	26.92
Falcons	33	123	26.83
Broncos	34	127	26.77
Giants	31	116	26.72
Titans	38	143	26.57
Bengals	36	137	26.28
Rams	36	142	25.35
Bears	31	123	25.20
Lions	30	121	24.79
49ers	36	146	24.66
Chiefs	31	127	24.41
Cardinals	29	119	24.37
Packers	35	144	24.31
Texans	28	117	23.93
Patriots	34	144	23.61
Seahawks	33	140	23.57
Raiders	30	128	23.44
Eagles	31	136	22.79
Bills	30	132	22.73
Colts	28	125	22.40
Vikings	28	128	21.88
Buccaneers	27	124	21.77
Redskins	25	115	21.74
Browns	24	130	18.46

[CanadianCat]

I dont get all the Hurney hate.

All of us arm chair GM's can say what we want. None of us would get a SNIFF at the position, meanwhile he has the job. 

[CanadianCat]

Bucks being that low is funny and telling. 

[MMA]

Thanks to starters like Samuel, Amini, Fua, Terrell McClain, etc. 

[Madwolf]

It's really hard to tell what this really says about drafting, other than the fact that it's less of a sure thing as everyone likes to pretend.

There are lots of factors at play here:

• Did teams end up with 4 year starters because they simply stuck with players stubbornly?
• Did teams end up with 4 year starters because they didn't draft properly and forced themselves to play guys who wouldn't have stuck around in the NFL on other rosters?
• Did guys wash out because the team is a poor organization and the coaching and staff carousels grinded up players and spit them out before they ever could establish themselves in a single system or under a staff?
• How much of this is down to bad injury luck one way or another?

This list is really confusing because it would suggest that certain teams should simply have been a lot better over the last 15 years. Yet some of your Super Bowl winners are at the bottom and some of your worst Franchises over the last 15 years are towards the top. Are we suddenly going to start heaping praise on the Jets and Dolphins? Are the Patriots a bad organization?

This is the perfect display of how numbers lie. The data has to be properly correlated, and if it's not you're going to assume that every time the Cowboys start 0-4 they're going to win the Super Bowl.

[Panthercougar68]

I’ve always felt that Hurney can find the potential talent but this previous regime did terrible at developing the talent. Hurney has done stupid things yes but what GM hasn’t?
 

This thread is either gonna be lit or quiet.

 

[Madwolf]

Just now, Panthercougar68 said:

I’ve always felt that Hurney can find the potential talent but this previous regime did terrible at developing the talent. Hurney has done stupid things yes but what GM hasn’t?
 

This thread is either gonna be lit or quiet.

 

I have a disconnect between whose responsible for the draft picks over the years. How much is to Hurney's credit, and how much isn't? Same with the flaws in our draft classes. It would be interesting to learn how much it really comes down to the Coaches and Scouts vs Hurney's say.

My biggest frustration with Fox and Rivera is that they simply didn't let younger players have a chance vs Veterans. You look at teams winning the Super Bowl and they know what they have because they let guys go out there and play. They don't waste talent by never allowing certain players to see the field.

[LinvilleGorge]

An GM's job isn't to draft players. A GM's job is to build and maintain a consistent winner. In that effort, Hurney is a proven abject failure. 

[Growl]

somebody posted not so long ago that the most you can expect out of a draft from a good GM is "3-4 impact players"

like lol.

 Most teams consider 1 a success.

still I'll wait to see where my criticism does and doesn't lie until I see what we've done with the QB position.

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[Khyber53]

Wish they'd have had "average first round draft position" as a stat to contrast everything with. Think of how high Cleveland traditionally picks in the draft (getting what should be among the best choices) and how much lower their retention/development rate is.

[jfra78]

So maybe tepper was right about him being able to evaluate talent from college

[Mr. Scot]

Tom Brady is a four year starter.

So is Andy Dalton.

Judging draft quality by something like that is pretty much useless.

[jfra78]

I doubt any fanbase is overall happy with their GMs.  They seem to be the scapegoats of the NFL