Most 1st Team All-Pros Drafted Since 2000

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

Cant wait for the Hurney haters to deflect this.  Its all about wins and losses!  Well, not really

What is it that's more important than winning exactly? 

And if by "deflect" you mean "actually look at it rather than just making dimwitted assumptions like that it must be everybody's fault but Marty's", yeah sure.

[MMA]

Bad coaching and terrible moves in free agency. Just look at Denver for example. They are at the bottom but recently been to 2 Super Bowls and won 1. Elway got there and signed Peyton, Ware, Talib and Ward. We were signing scrubs to patch up the secondary year after year under Ron. Same for OL and WR.

[PootieNunu]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I think I got Ryan Kalil outside of round 1 for Hurney, that's it.  Hurney can't take full credit for the 2001 draft (Morgan, Jenkins, Smith) while on staff, he was not the GM until 2002.

Josh Norman was a 5th round pick.

[TheRumGone]

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Cant wait for the Hurney haters to deflect this.  Its all about wins and losses!  Well, not really

It is about wins and losses. Football is a team sport. One or two players can’t make your team win consistently. Hurney is terrible at roster building. That said it isn’t all his fault. Coaching was an issue as well.

[Smithers]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I have yet to look it up, but I would suppose most of these are the Hurney's 1st rounders.  His 1st round success was never an issue, it was everything from the 2nd round down where the issues were.  Hard to build a team hitting on 1 player each draft.

But...there are a lot of GMs that miss on first rounders too.  Hell Matt Millen didn’t hit in a single first rounder during his tenure, and they were all top 10 picks.  

[carpanfan96]

Drafting is not easy, the hit rate after round 1 is pretty low. 40% round 2, 20% round 3 10% round 4-7 basically. Most teams only hit on one draft pick per draft, couple players start a few years but just jags or slightly above average players. 

Also a GM drafts players to fit a coaches scheme/system. Hurney and the Panthers have basically been drafting for the same system since 2001. 

 

Part of it's coaching, part of it's roster building from UDFA and cheaper free agents. 

 

Gettleman was better at free agency and finding UDFA that fit the system but Hurney better at drafting. Hopefully Rhule and soon to be Assistant GM help out in Hurney's weak areas and the Panthers can build a solid team that lasts for more than one season. 

 

[Jon Snow]

34 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

2001 to 2019 of the same coachign philosophy, basically

So he hired bad coaches?

[Jon Snow]

17 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

It is about wins and losses. Football is a team sport. One or two players can’t make your team win consistently. Hurney is terrible at roster building. That said it isn’t all his fault. Coaching was an issue as well.

He hired the coaches so yes it is his fault.

[Wes21]

2 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I and many others had been saying it for years...  that's what makes Cam and Luke's era so devastatingly hard to accept.  That's a HOFer/generational talent on each side of the ball, and our best run was reaching the Superbowl once and losing.  Teams win every year with a lot less than what we've fielded.

Random info: When the Bears had Gale Sayers and Dick Butkus together, they never even made it to the playoffs.

[Paintballr]

Good metric, but let’s look at it as the most recent era and the wasted time with Ron & Cam/Luke 

2011-2019 All Pro 

Luke - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018

Ryan Kalil - 2013, 2015

Mike Tolbert - 2013, 2015 

Cam Newton - 2015 

Thomas Davis 2015 

CMC - 2019 

Josh Norman - 2015 

Andrew Norwell - 2017

2015 skews the list/number a little as a super bowl run will most likely get you All Pros just off name and recognition (Tolbert, Norman) as they weren’t voted All Pro again in their career after 

From 2010-2019 we had a “total” of 8 players who were all pro, and only 3 were all pro for multiple years

2000 - 2009 

Steve Smith - 2001, 2005 

Peppers - 2004, 2006

Jenkins - 2002, 2003 

Sauerbraun - 2001, 2002

Gross - 2008 

Beason - 2008

Moose - 2004 

From 2000 - 2009 we had 7 players who were all pro, and only 4 players with multiple years. What’s surprising about that group is only 1 player from the super bowl run (Jenkins) was voted All Pro vs 2015 was 6 players. So 2015 could have skewed the “talent” evaluation 

 

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

literally no one is saying hurney cant draft good players. people argue that he sucks ass at adding depth which is where you win super bowls.

[Wes21]

14 minutes ago, Smithers said:

But...there are a lot of GMs that miss on first rounders too.  Hell Matt Millen didn’t hit in a single first rounder during his tenure, and they were all top 10 picks.  

Matt blew almost every pick he ever made, but he did hit on Calvin Johnson.

[NCBlu]

When your OC for most of Cams years here was Shula well bad things happen. I liked Ron but him holding on to that guy to long was what killed many of those yrs..

[LinvilleGorge]

It's almost as if some people can't grasp that making 1st round draft picks isn't the end all be all of an NFL GM's job. You either build a consistent winning football organization or you don't. The details of how you do it really don't matter. It just matters that you do it.