Panthers Wont partake in Trevor Lawerence sweepstakes

[LegioX]

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, Tbe said:

That article really didn’t say anything. Many of our best defensive players are rookies. That says something.

We’ll be middle of the pack offensively. 
 

Combine a middle of the road offense with a green defense and you get a top 1-7 pick. 
 

We’re definitely drafting a QB next year though. 

We more than likely will be leaning on a lot of rookies and UDFA for depth on defense.  Add in the lack of ability of brady not being able to implement his offense now that makes for a long year.  We def drafting a qb in the first next year.

 

I just re-read the article and it feels like he spent 5 minutes on it

[theinstrumental]

We talk about roster-building and tanking as if the next season is the only thing that's affected. Tepper/Hurney had to hire new coaches, negotiate an extension with CMC, and try to build a culture in the wake of Olsen, Cam, Luke, and damn near everyone else departing. Who's to say Rhule and Joe Brady would've signed up for a tank job? Who's to say CMC wants to carry a nothing roster for the next few years? How do you evaluate a totally new coaching staff if you're actively trying to lose games?

I'm not desperately excited for the Bridgewater era either, but football isn't basketball. It's harder to convince guys to not try when they're risking their necks, and the benefits of tanking aren't quite as simple. In football, the #1 pick isn't a necessary condition for contention, and you don't always know who the best guy is, anyway. The Ravens invested in their coaching and personnel infrastructure and were able to stay competitive without bottoming out. As were the Packers. And the Chiefs. Tanking can work, but so can this. It seems simpler to take the other road, but that doesn't make it better.

[thefuzz]

56 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

All that sounds great on paper, but how often has that strategy led to sustained success? Cleveland embraced the rebuild pathway stronger than any team in memory a few years ago and they still can't make the playoffs. Miami's management did everything they could do to give away last season and they ended up with the 5th pick, only landing Tua there because of major injury question marks. TBD how well that works.

Many of the successful turnarounds seem to revolve around picking a young qb, rarely the consensus top qb, sometimes by trade up, on a team already with a decent core (Kansas City with Mahomes, Baltimore with Lamar Jackson, Watson in Houston and even Wentz in Philly).

An alternate strategy that seems more successful than an all out tank is building a complete team while bringing in an up-and-coming young veteran qb not far removed from his rookie contract, similar to San Francisco, or you could even say Tennessee last year, or perhaps Minnesota with Cousins. Perhaps the Panthers are trying to mimic this model. But completely demolishing the team with the goal of going all out for the #1 pick just doesn't seem to work in the NFL. Maybe it's hard to break out from a culture of losing.

I need everyone to think for just a moment about the word "tank", because I see it tossed around a lot in here.

Last season, we did everything within our power to win...we pulled out all the stops.  Switched to a new defense, drafted players for said defense, brought in expensive free agents for said defense......got Cam "healthy", and surrounded him with some legit skill players....and NOTHING.  Got our coach fired in season, and started free agency as one of the very worst rosters in the entire NFL.

That's not tanking.  That's being so bad at your jobs that you go out of your way to win, and fall flat on your face.

We weren't tanking, and not signing Anderson and Bridgewater isn't tanking either...it's just being smart about the future of your team.  You have holes all over the roster, so you need draft picks...and to roll over as much $$$ as possible to start the rebuild...that's looking at your situation and understanding the business of football, and looking at your division and seeing that you are by far and away the worst team in it.

So...my point on this very lengthy post.  We didn't tank, we are just a bad football team.  Once you find yourself at the bottom, it's smart to figure out the very best way possible to go back to being a winning team....and that ain't signing Robby Anderson and Teddy Bridgewater.  The answer was plan like hell for the future, get really smart in the draft, lay off the free agents, and clear up some of the dead weight on the roster by cutting older, expensive, hurt players.

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

^^we are not trying to lose games

[45catfan]

It has been proven over and over again you don't need the top overall pick to get a good QB in the first round.  People wanting to tank for Lawrence are Lawrence fans, period.  Will this team be very good?  No, but to shave off possible wins by intentionally putting inferior talent on the field attempting to land one guy in the next draft is stupid.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

What do you guys expect him to say? “Yeah, we are hopefully gonna suck. I mean, I’m planning to be the worst team in the league. We aren’t going to try to compete this year. Our roster sucks so we are just trying to move on from all these guys and get some actual talent next year”

Honestly. What do you expect? 

[run-run-pass-punt]

This whole idea of fixating on one player as the "savior" of your team is just strange to me.

You build your team with the best pieces you can at all positions. Great  *teams* will play great football.

Lawrence may or may not end up as a great NFL QB anyway. He could be mediocre or, yes, even bust. You can't attach yourself to a single player when looking at team improvement. I know he's a Clemson player, but I still don't get the obsession.

Once the next draft rolls around, you consider your options at all areas of team need. If that includes Lawrence at that time, you consider that option.

 

[Madwolf]

Tanking is just not a realistic strategy in the NFL. There is no proven way to be the worst team in the League. Teams will come out of no where with injuries, locker room turmoil, and coaching changes that will leave you in the dust by complete chance when it comes to the race to the bottom.

Then of course, you have no idea how the draft class is going to shake out. Who rises, who falls, and what teams need in front of you. 

I love Trevor, and I would rather have Lawrence than Teddy if you put a gun to my head and made me decide next season. However, there is no guarantee that making ourselves worse will land us Trevor or not. We could do more long term damage by trying to be bad, and whiffing (for whatever reason), than to just stick with the plan and try to get incrementally better and make good football moves.

[4Corners]

Just now, Madwolf said:

Tanking is just not a realistic strategy in the NFL. There is no proven way to be the worst team in the League. Teams will come out of no where with injuries, locker room turmoil, and coaching changes that will leave you in the dust by complete chance when it comes to the race to the bottom.

Then of course, you have no idea how the draft class is going to shake out. Who rises, who falls, and what teams need in front of you. 

I love Trevor, and I would rather have Lawrence than Teddy if you put a gun to my head and made me decide next season. However, there is no guarantee that making ourselves worse will land us Trevor or not. We could do more long term damage by trying to be bad, and whiffing (for whatever reason), than to just stick with the plan and try to get incrementally better and make good football moves.

NCAA coming to nuke Louisville off the map 

[AceMan]

We will be fine with Jamie Newman

[Madwolf]

7 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

NCAA coming to nuke Louisville off the map 

[walken]

A team led by Newton, Kuechly, Olsen, Kalil, etc. went 6-10 after the Super Bowl. This team is not even in the same galaxy in terms of talent.

We’re going to be in the Lawrence sweepstakes whether you want to believe it or not. It’ll come down to our games against Detroit, Washington and Arizona. If we go 0-3 we’ll be right there with Jacksonville for the number one spot.

 

But, the post-Super Bowl team dealt with Injuries and Karma and etc.

 

Every year teams deal with something. Now we could go 5-11 or 6-10, but that’s our ceiling. Look at our schedule, we’ll most likely win 3 games and who knows that might be enough next year to pick first.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

only team that worries me about getting ahead of us is jacksonville and detroit. the r-words d-line is too strong, giants arent taking a qb (probably), dolphins certainly arent.