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If Bridgwater is anythign less than elite, the front office screwed up


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Cam still unsigned.

Dalton signed for 3-7 million.

Winston signed for 1-3 million.

As the title says, if Teddy Bridgewater in anything less than elite we screwed up.

If we use a first round pick on a QB, signing TB was a mistake.  You are basically spending 60 million to keep a seat warm.

I don't buy the excuse that he will be good for a rookie to learn from.  That is what coaches are for, but if you are determeined to have a vet to learn from you can find those cheaply in free agency

Don't get me wrong, I hope he flourishes in our system, and maybe he will, and at that point 20 million is a year is more than fair. 

I'm just not a big fan of paying guys to become something they haven't been consitatntaly in the past.  Matt Kalil is a perfect example of that.  We paid him hoping he would become something better than his recent play showed.

We could have kept Cam under contract while he waited for an offer another team with the intention of just using Grier.  At this point Cam might have been willing to play under just a one year deal.

I'm not even going to get into how many draft picks, either through comp picks or higher future picks we are probably going to lose out on.

I think the ultimately the front office misjudged the QB market this year, not only what Cam would get on the open market, but also what the team could have signed if they didn't want to keep Cam.

I really hope Bridgewater flourishes and turns into Drew Brees and we don't even need to draft a QB next year, but its definitely a huge gamble.

 

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4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Cam still unsigned.

Dalton signed for 3-7 million.

Winston signed for 1-3 million.

As the title says, if Teddy Bridgewater in anything less than elite we screwed up.

If we use a first round pick on a QB, signing TB was a mistake.  You are basically spending 60 million to keep a seat warm.

I don't buy the excuse that he will be good for a rookie to learn from.  That is what coaches are for, but if you are determeined to have a vet to learn from you can find those cheaply in free agency

Don't get me wrong, I hope he flourishes in our system, and maybe he will, and at that point 20 million is a year is more than fair. 

I'm just not a big fan of paying guys to become something they haven't been consitatntaly in the past.  Matt Kalil is a perfect example of that.  We paid him hoping he would become something better than his recent play showed.

We could have kept Cam under contract while he waited for an offer another team with the intention of just using Grier.  At this point Cam might have been willing to play under just a one year deal.

I'm not even going to get into how many draft picks, either through comp picks or higher future picks we are probably going to lose out on.

I think the ultimately the front office misjudged the QB market this year, not only what Cam would get on the open market, but also what the team could have signed if they didn't want to keep Cam.

I really hope Bridgewater flourishes and turns into Drew Brees and we don't even need to draft a QB next year, but its definitely a huge gamble.

 

Dalton is 2nd string and Winston is 3rd, they got paid accordingly.  They would not have accepted those contractx as starters.

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Elite QBs are getting paid way more than 7 million a year, and way more than 20 million a year.

You're talking about guys taking backup money with a lot of baggage. 

Teddy is in the right-ish ballpark for a guy to be a transitional QB. Either he plays well and gets extended, or not and he gets cut or walks after 3 years. Either way he can be a mentor to the next Franchise QB if we go that route.

There's actually this place in between crazy money for an elite starter, and dumpster money for a backup where QBs can exist. The Panthers can both have not won with this deal, and not lost with it either.

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12 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Cam still unsigned.

Dalton signed for 3-7 million.

Winston signed for 1-3 million.

As the title says, if Teddy Bridgewater in anything less than elite we screwed up.

If we use a first round pick on a QB, signing TB was a mistake.  You are basically spending 60 million to keep a seat warm.

I don't buy the excuse that he will be good for a rookie to learn from.  That is what coaches are for, but if you are determeined to have a vet to learn from you can find those cheaply in free agency

Don't get me wrong, I hope he flourishes in our system, and maybe he will, and at that point 20 million is a year is more than fair. 

I'm just not a big fan of paying guys to become something they haven't been consitatntaly in the past.  Matt Kalil is a perfect example of that.  We paid him hoping he would become something better than his recent play showed.

We could have kept Cam under contract while he waited for an offer another team with the intention of just using Grier.  At this point Cam might have been willing to play under just a one year deal.

I'm not even going to get into how many draft picks, either through comp picks or higher future picks we are probably going to lose out on.

I think the ultimately the front office misjudged the QB market this year, not only what Cam would get on the open market, but also what the team could have signed if they didn't want to keep Cam.

I really hope Bridgewater flourishes and turns into Drew Brees and we don't even need to draft a QB next year, but its definitely a huge gamble.

 

No.

Teddy basically has a 2 year deal to try to make this team competitive. 20M fir a starting QB is a deal..

Teddy knows that based on his contract that if he doesnt explode that he is a bridge QB. Its clear to everyone. 

People need to get over Cam. Cam is not what he was. The ENTIRE league doesnt know what he is and most are not willing to bet on him.

Signing Bridgewater was the best option to field a competitive team. 

 

Some of you want nothing more than to lose every game. Those people can to fug themselves.

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The money really doesn't matter to us fans, it's not like it's got to be used somewhere else or helps with the dead cap we are purging now. 

Ted is a comfort blanket to help Brady set up his O. He has never been elite and the rest of the team isn't good enough to win a ton this year with a JAG at QB, even if he fits the system.

The Cam bridge was burnt down, non-recoverable now. It's over and at this point I'm happy not watching him get creamed here which is what I fear is in store for Ted and that is fine because he is being paid extremely well to do it. It sounds like it was no longer a fit with Cam and there were too many mistakes to go around to share that blame. 

The big question is will we win 2 games or 8? I don't know but I suspect it's closer the the lower number and that's fine too. We are digging out of a crater of talent leaving us and 2 bad years of team management. 

 

 

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Teddy came back from injury to run the New Orleans offense with precision.  I figure we will have somewhat the same type of offense as far as scheme.  Our coaches got him to run the offense, hope for an incredible performance, but knows that we will probably pick our QB next season and he can sit while Teddy runs it for the 2nd season.  Then I understand, it is cheaper to let Teddy go after 2 seasons.

Not that difficult to surmise

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9 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

 

There's actually this place in between crazy money for an elite starter, and dumpster money for a backup where QBs can exist. The Panthers can both have not won with this deal, and not lost with it either.

Yeah, there is. The problem is that it's called purgatory.

My biggest concern is the worst case scenario. That scenario being that Teddy is just good enough to keep us from being in a position to land a legit franchise QB prospect.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, there is. The problem is that it's called purgatory.

My biggest concern is the worst case scenario. That scenario being that Teddy is just good enough to keep us from being in a position to land a legit franchise QB prospect.

We're going to disagree there. I don't believe that this purgatory exists. 

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I don't think anyone could've predicted Winston signing for basically vet minimum...he clearly left quite a bit of money on the table with the objective of focusing on development under a coach/QB who could maximize this development, meaning he never would've signed here.

Dalton was still with the Bengals when FA began, meaning he wasn't an option either unless we just wanted to completely neglect the QB position in hopes that the Bengals would cut him later and that he would've signed here for extremely cheap...so he wasn't a realistic option.

Cam....um yeah....enough said.

In hindsight?  Yeah, I would've taken Jameis or Dalton at a fraction of what we paid Bridgewater, but those weren't realistic options at the time, nor would they likely have been options even if we waited to address QB.

Rolling with Grier?  That basically would've sent the message to our entire team that we were tanking...which would have established a losing culture for a brand new head coach.  Good luck getting guys to respect and play for Rhule if that was how he chose to kick off his coaching career.  "Hey guys...all I ask is for you to throw away one or two years of your career in this extremely violent sport where one snap could end your entire career.  Tank for Trevor babyyyy!!!".

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