A peek into what the Phil Snow defense could look like

[TheSpecialJuan]

This was great 

[sml1950]

The most critical piece in building Snow’s defense are players who can play multiple positions.  This allows him to morph the D into different looks with the same personnel.  The ideal personnel could be in the 3-4 , then 4-3, then 3-3-5 without running players on/off the field.  Players like Chinn and Brown will be the start of this core.  The offense looks for mismatches and Snow’s D will do the same thing.  Teams have recently gone to no huddle no substitution offenses to keep the D in base or nickel, Snow will be able to respond without changing personnel.  
Here’s another D he used at Baylor:

http://sportstreatise.com/2018/04/baylors-multiple-4-3-d/

 

[bythenbrs]

Odd Dime...

[TheSpecialJuan]

6 hours ago, vorbis said:

The Evolution of the Odd Dime: Baylor vs Oklahoma Pt. 1 – Coverages (2019)

so this is a hugely detailed article that you might need to take a coffee break to read. I'll post a few snippets, but it's quite an exhaustive look at how Phil Snow's defense evolved coming from Temple and adjusting to the zany Big-12 landscape. what do you think, does it maybe give a window into why the defensive roster is being organized as it is?

anyways there's a LOT more and I probably shouldn't give you a hundred quotes that you'll ignore. save the article for when you have a few minutes, it's quite enlightening, especially since we haven't heard a ton from Phil Snow on the subject. this is a great opportunity to begin to see what the new Panthers defense might very well look like. with all the spread offenses invading the NFL, it seems the Panthers' staff is well equipped to anticipate the evolution in offenses, and be prepared for it, both schematically and with personnel.

[JARROD]

5 hours ago, Khaki Lackey said:

So why is Rhule talking about four man fronts and drafting 4-3 DEs? Best smokescreen ever?

Well I would rather have 4 linemen, 2 LB and 5 DB than 3 linemen 2 LB and 6 DB.

its all good against finesse teams but this kind of thing was done in the past and then the Power teams show up,.. and they murder you.

Burns is a tweener anyway.

People repeat history over and over like it never happened before already.

[Basbear]

It is bad that the panthers need to start looking for the replacement after you hire a position coach.

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, Khaki Lackey said:

So why is Rhule talking about four man fronts and drafting 4-3 DEs? Best smokescreen ever?

As a DC in the big 12 and AAC, I have no idea what they will run in the NFL--I think they need some four - man front and 5 DBs.

[Khyber53]

He's going to have Brady, Brees and Ryan to pick the defense apart. If there are weaknesses, then they will find and exploit them -- no other conference in the league has that kind of QB group.

It may hurt for the first season (unless it works crazy good), but a good coach will help it fine tune the concept.

I really can't wait to see it work.

[AU-panther]

People get too caught up with what our "base" is, its a nickel league.

The questions is, are going to be a 4-2-5 with 3 CBs, or a 4-2-5 with 3 safeties, or a 3-3-5.  We seem to be investing in safeties a little bit more than in the past so that might tell us something.

[bababoey]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

People get too caught up with what our "base" is, its a nickel league.

The questions is, are going to be a 4-2-5 with 3 CBs, or a 4-2-5 with 3 safeties, or a 3-3-5.  We seem to be investing in safeties a little bit more than in the past so that might tell us something.

I think alot of this.  Also you might see Chin play some dime LB on long down and distance situations.  With both a nickel cb and 2 deep safetys on the field and maybe Shaq as the only real LB on the field at all.

[Black&BlueBubba]

Good post.  I found that article on The Athletic the other day and enjoyed it. 
 

The drafting of talented Safties in their first draft has me intrigued of what our defense could look like in a couple years. 

[Black&BlueBubba]

Here is the article from the athletic talking about joe Chin plays into all this. 
 

8. Jeremy Chinn, S, Carolina Panthers (No. 64 overall)

Playstyle: Freak athlete safety with man coverage skills
Scheme: 3-3 odd stack

Chinn caught everyone’s eyes at the combine. He measured 6-3, 221 pounds and ran a 4.45 40-yard dash (86th percentile), had a vertical jump of 41 (94th percentile) and a broad jump of 138 (98th percentile).

“You don’t find guys that are that big that run that fast,” Panthers coach Matt Rhule said. “And going to the Senior Bowl, seeing him play safety, seeing him play press man, playing man-to-man against some of the best wideouts in the country … he is kind of a position-less player right now.”

In 2019, Rhule and defensive coordinator Phil Snow, whom Rhule hired to run his defense with the Panthers as well, ran an adjusted 3-4 front at Baylor designed to combat all the spread offenses in the Big 12 conference. The front became what former Baylor football graduate assistant Cody Alexander called the “Odd Dime” front in his series of articles The Evolution of the Odd Dime. The system features a three-man defensive line with three linebackers and would often use three safeties. Their core coverages include different variations of Cover 3 and a form of Tampa 2 with the third safety playing in the “middle hole” where a middle linebacker would normally play out of a regular 4-3.

Chinn would likely play one of the safety spots on early downs because he has the range to play deep zones and the physicality to come up on the run. Alexander believes that Chinn could even play Sam linebacker in passing situations so that he could match up with athletic tight ends or blitz.

[RumHam]

9 hours ago, bababoey said:

The main takeaway I got from the whole story is that it took them a couple of years to figure out what the best way to stop the spread in the Big 12 was,  but once they did they used the guys they had the best way they could and it worked.  It doesn't mean we are going to see this defense for the Panthers next year (or ever really) it just means that Snow will find the best way to use his guys to be effective.  You might see this 3 man odd dime look on a few plays on like 3 and forever but it's not going to be a base defense for us.  Unless everyone in the NFL starts running the spread offense.

Ask Oklahoma twice if it worked. This defense will be historically bad. Gonna have nba scores

[RumHam]

Homers really starting to ooze through