Prime position for Lawrence

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I agree, I feel we will be picking between 5 and 10. If Fields drops to us you gotta do it, if not there are plenty of other grear players in area of needs

I'm super intrigued by Trey Nance.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Comparing NBA Players to NFL players is foolish.  Different sport, fewer people involved, far easier for one person to make a difference.  Its a lot easier to say a guy who only shares a court with 4 other players is going to be a difference maker than a football player who depends on so much else to be successful.  If Trevor Lawrence played for Northwestern, very few would even know who he is.  But if a great bball player plays for a relatively small school, he can make a world of difference, as Larry Bird did.  

And you missed my point.  I was primarily referring to all the comments about tanking to get specific players.  I grant that if we are in position to draft Lawrence, maybe we should.  But intentionally trying to get into position of drafting a guy who may or may not be a success in the NFL is a waste of time.  

As far one being higher rated than the other, how do you quantify that, ie determine who is rated higher?  Jameis Winston was the highest rated qb in the draft during his year.  Many pundits rated him a sure fire success.  Trevor Lawrence will be the highest rated qb coming out this year unless something drastic happens.  Not sure you can say that one is or will be rated higher than the other.  I have seen some guys in an effort to get clicks on their site use measurements and math formulas.    Most of those end up meaningless.  

If you look at the list of today's elite quarterbacks, almost none of them were the top graded qb's in their draft class.  Mahomes was not, Lamar Jackson was not, Watson was not.  Can't remember if Aaron Rogers was, but the point remains.  Aiming for a specific player by losing enough games is almost always a waste of time.   To difficult to get in that position, and no way to ensure the player is actually worth it until they are on the field.  

Tank for Trevor is as stupid as anything that I have read around here, or elsewhere.

The point, is to make sure that you are in the very best position to target the very best player available, at the most important position.  You can't sit here and say that Mahommes wasn't drafted 1, or Jackson, etc...No, the teams that drafted QB's higher that year missed...just simply missed on the better player.  Bad player evaluation is all that can be chalked up to.  The Bears should have absolutely pulled the trigger...they passed.

If you were to ask Andy Reid if he would have rather drafted 13th, or 3rd the year Mahommes came out, what do you think he would say?

[DJ feed me moore]

18 hours ago, NAS said:

Nobody is saying otherwise. The point is that they will lose a lot this year but hopefully we will land our future franchise QB. Just picture two years from now Derrick Brown and Jeremy Chinn dominating on defense while Lawrence,  CMC and hopefully DJ Moore lead us to the promised land on offense

lets have a talk about DJ, he fuging sucked out there yesterday.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

https://www.panthers.com/schedule/

I don't see more than 3 wins on this schedule

I think we beat the broncos and lions and thats it

 

[Davidson Deac II]

12 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Tank for Trevor is as stupid as anything that I have read around here, or elsewhere.

The point, is to make sure that you are in the very best position to target the very best player available, at the most important position.  You can't sit here and say that Mahommes wasn't drafted 1, or Jackson, etc...No, the teams that drafted QB's higher that year missed...just simply missed on the better player.  Bad player evaluation is all that can be chalked up to.  The Bears should have absolutely pulled the trigger...they passed.

If you were to ask Andy Reid if he would have rather drafted 13th, or 3rd the year Mahommes came out, what do you think he would say?

Player evaluations in and of themselves are going to be flawed.  A team needs good talent evaluators, but even the best strike out a high percentage of the time.  Personally, I think there is a significant amount of luck involved.   Or bad decisions on the part of other teams.  Or some combination there of.  

Regarding your question about Reid, I think that depends on when he was asked.  Before the draft, probably would have said third.  Now, I am sure he is perfectly happy with where he drafted.  A more interesting question would be, if he had picked third, or better yet, first that year, would he still have taken Mahomes?  I am sure he would say that he would, but without the ability to look at alternative futures, we don't really know.  

[Kentucky Panther]

17 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

https://www.panthers.com/schedule/

I don't see more than 3 wins on this schedule

I think we beat the broncos and lions and thats it

 

I think it’s possible we get 5. That is to me the best possible scenario after losing week one. Winnable games left:

 

Lions

Bears 

Falcons

Broncos

@ Washington 

 

Maybe the saints aren’t playing week 17 and we get that one too

 

[electro's horse]

only real competition i see us having for lawrence...

Lions - Stafford old, tried to trade him in the offseason, probably too much talent to lose more games but who knows

Bears - Biscuits is terrible, again would be surprised if they out lose the panthers

Jets - they still have Sam Darnold so I think losses are irrelevant

Browns - logic says they wouldn't give up on Baker yet but who the fug knows

Colts - don't think they get the losses but they could draft him

Jags - could, depends on minshew

Broncos - they could fall apart without Von Miller

 

really looking at that i think the only competition we have for actual losses AND would draft a QB are the Lions and Bears. 

[electro's horse]

but i also think that if we'll absolutely trade a lot to grab lawrence if it's feasible

Chiefs already proved you can pull that off.

Panthers are gonna be in a position next year where a good rookie qb can slide in a be successful, then you have 3 years until you gotta pay him. Build the corp, grab the qb, lure a couple decent ring chasing free agents, and boom. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

only real competition i see us having for lawrence...

Lions - Stafford old, tried to trade him in the offseason, probably too much talent to lose more games but who knows

Bears - Biscuits is terrible, again would be surprised if they out lose the panthers

Jets - they still have Sam Darnold so I think losses are irrelevant

Browns - logic says they wouldn't give up on Baker yet but who the fug knows

Colts - don't think they get the losses but they could draft him

Jags - could, depends on minshew

Broncos - they could fall apart without Von Miller

 

really looking at that i think the only competition we have for actual losses AND would draft a QB are the Lions and Bears. 

nah i think if jets are sitting first overall sam darnold is getting kicked out of ny. though it would be a jets move to keep him and draft greg rossou or something

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

I agree, I feel we will be picking between 5 and 10. If Fields drops to us you gotta do it, if not there are plenty of other grear players in area of needs

After seeing that defense yesterday I am just not seeing us getting wins to get us to 5-10. 

[thefuzz]

38 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Player evaluations in and of themselves are going to be flawed.  A team needs good talent evaluators, but even the best strike out a high percentage of the time.  Personally, I think there is a significant amount of luck involved.   Or bad decisions on the part of other teams.  Or some combination there of.  

Regarding your question about Reid, I think that depends on when he was asked.  Before the draft, probably would have said third.  Now, I am sure he is perfectly happy with where he drafted.  A more interesting question would be, if he had picked third, or better yet, first that year, would he still have taken Mahomes?  I am sure he would say that he would, but without the ability to look at alternative futures, we don't really know.  

Of course Andy would have rather kept that 1 and 3 he had to give up, and I cannot imagine for a moment that he would have taken Mitch, and he had a shot at Watson and passed.  He was headhunting for PM, and it would have been easier, and less costly, to be in the better draft position.

Let's also not forget, Andy had a good team that season before....we ALL (anyone who pays attention to football) knew we were going to have a bad season...it's just head scratching from a team building perspective.

[OneBadCat]

We need to tank so we trade down from #1 so we can build a team and resign Cam.

[Mage]

I think we start off 0-5.  I think it'll come down to the Bears game.  Our defense is terrible, but so is their offense.  However if we lose that game and fall to 0-6?  Barring upsets it would be a wrap for us.  We play the Saints, Falcons, Chiefs, and Bucs after that.  After we play the Lions, we have another tough stretch of Vikings, Broncos (better team this year than people will be expecting), Packers, and finish the season against the Chiefs.

This is a 3-13 or 4-12 team with the potential to go 2-14.  We'd need our first year offense to continue out-dueling some of the league's best offenses to have a chance, or our defense to miraculously get better, to have any chance.  If this team hits 5 or 6 wins?  Rhule is a G.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

nah i think if jets are sitting first overall sam darnold is getting kicked out of ny. though it would be a jets move to keep him and draft greg rossou or something

If your third year QB is playing poorly enough to have you in the #1 overall draft spot it's time to move on.