REPORT: Industry sources are watching the Panthers for potential GM opening

[onmyown]

6 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

the fly 

[DaveThePanther2008]

2 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

No. I could care less about right now. He never even got a job offer when he was fired the first time, that should tell you something right there. He has the stink of the old regime and we will never be able to complete a “rebuild” till he is gone. His name is trash, he is trash and he never should have been rehired. 
 

We brought in a young coach, good OC and DC and it makes no sense to keep a GM that put us in Cap hell before he was finally fired only to be re-hired.  

Of all the things JR did, too many to count, was to fire Gettleman after we lost Beane to Buffalo.   I have yet to understand why JR did that.  He should have fired Gettleman long before and internally hired Bean.   Maybe it was planned to make sure the new owner was set back for a couple of years.   Rehiring Hurney made absolutely no sense.

While his picks are slightly better than before is dealing with current players (who to keep and who to let go) are critical in our team facing overhaul.

Hurney has to go. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Of all the things JR did, too many to count, was to fire Gettleman after we lost Beane to Buffalo.   I have yet to understand why JR did that.  He should have fired Gettleman long before and internally hired Bean.   Maybe it was planned to make sure the new owner was set back for a couple of years.   Rehiring Hurney made absolutely no sense.

Yep. It wasn't like he loved Gettleman and then up and fired him out of the blue for one thing. Obviously there was ongoing friction there. Everyone knew Beane was the GM in waiting in the building. Once other teams came sniffing around, JR should've pulled the trigger then and there. Then again, that's not to say that Beane wouldn't have still chosen to follow McD to Buffalo knowing the dumpster fire that was lurking in the Panthers' office.

[mrcompletely11]

11 hours ago, 4Corners said:

For every one positive Marty is responsible for there are at least two negatives. 

Its easily 10-1

[LinvilleGorge]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

2018 draft with an extra 3rd - DJ and meh, including Donte

2019 draft with an extra 3rd again - Burns

Traded up for Little and ignored IOL for 2 straight drafts and missed a chance to get McCoy at C and Evans/others at G. Now we have Paradis signed in 2021 and no other starting OL signed after this year. That's what happens when you have two drafts where we basically get two starters and below average or nothing for the rest.

Spent a ton a ton of cash and cap on players like Poe, McCoy, Paradis, Smith, Searcy, etc. to try and be competitive and got 1-15 in the second halves talent.

Extended Gano over Butker and wasted a bunch of cap space. Restructured Short and didn't release him before this year wasting $13M more. Signed Shaq to the 6th highest non-edge rusher LB salary over Bradberry, who's been graded as a top 3 CB this year.

There's probably a ton more, but that's just top of the head. Thankfully, he's been relegated to a figure head. You want to give him credit for exceeding expectations when we know Anderson came for Rhule and Rhule gave credit to Teddy to someone else. Also, 4 of the 7 draft picks were directly related to our coaches either playing for, against or recruited.

Marty pre-Rhule had two awful years. There's a reason why we are all surprised this year, that's because Marty had pilfered the talent from a team that went to 4 playoffs in 5 years. The coaches have us excited for the future because they got this team playing above their heads and for the most part (sans Whitehead) did well with their picks/FAs.

And this is why when the tiny handful of Marty backers come chirping about how all of a sudden everyone wants to praise our moves this year while giving Hurney zero credit... well, put two and two together. Marty was making typical Marty moves until this season when Rhule and company arrived and then like the flip of a switch we started making good moves and it just so happens that most of those players had prior connections to someone on the staff. It's not that hard to figure out.

[Waldo]

Hope of the future? It's been years. Since Marty came back I have been very skeptical of the long term future. The new coaches are a killing it and getting rid Marty would be a huge improvement. As I said with Ron last year, I would happily play against his team. If Washington wants him then it's almost too good to be true. I can't wait to watch that fun LOL

[SnowPanther]

11 hours ago, Shocker said:

Yeah he has been really bad.  Cant argue that.  Their fans are talking total rebuild.

Total rebuild is an understatement, that franchise top to bottom has been a mess ever since Coughlin left. 

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its easily 10-1

We should create a thread with the positives and negatives from Marty. No bickering and no hot takes. 

[panthers55]

14 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Why did Marty Hurney get so much hate here?

It is almost always that way in any organization that doesn't win consistently. The coach and GM are ultimately responsible so the buck stops there. And most times folks focus on the negative, it is human nature.

[panthers55]

30 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

We should create a thread with the positives and negatives from Marty. No bickering and no hot takes. 

Good luck with that. How many threads have we had over this. They always end badly as some folks here have an irrational hate for Hurney and can't speak objectively at all. So no, a huge waste of time.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And this is why when the tiny handful of Marty backers come chirping about how all of a sudden everyone wants to praise our moves this year while giving Hurney zero credit... well, put two and two together. Marty was making typical Marty moves until this season when Rhule and company arrived and then like the flip of a switch we started making good moves and it just so happens that most of those players had prior connections to someone on the staff. It's not that hard to figure out.

Exactly. Marty got Fox and Rivera the players they wanted and obviously they were wildly inconsistent. Marty got Rhule the players he wanted and so far it seems to be working. So is Marty's job to get who he wants and make the coaches use them, or is it to get the players who the coaches want and keep it all under the cap.?

Seems to me that Tepper has given Hurney the support he needed and allowed him to focus on what he does best while taking away things like contracts that weren't his strengths. The argument could be made that a competent GM should be able to do all those things but Tepper had said he doesn't want to give total control to one person or the other. He likes everyone doing what he thinks are their strengths. So if we move on from Hurney it will be interesting if the new GM gets total control or has a role similar to Hurney now. And it would be nice to know if Hurney is ready to move on or it being forced on him if it happens. It will also be interesting to see if Rhule gets more control or less  or it stays the same.

[Khyber53]

Geez, you guys sound like what the folks trying to murder Rasputin must have sounded like mid-attempt. Clubbing, shooting, poisoning, strangling, drowning... the guy just wouldn't die before he slumped off into the frigid river.

He's not going anywhere. The guy drafted very, very well -- again. The guy found some great free agents -- again.

The guy was also part of the team that brought Rhule and Co. in. 

Marty gets good players, he gets Superb Owl contending head coaches. In this league, that puts him way above the majority of the GMs. 

His contract work, while improving, does still need work, though.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Exactly. Marty got Fox and Rivera the players they wanted and obviously they were wildly inconsistent. Marty got Rhule the players he wanted and so far it seems to be working. So is Marty's job to get who he wants and make the coaches use them, or is it to get the players who the coaches want and keep it all under the cap.?

Seems to me that Tepper has given Hurney the support he needed and allowed him to focus on what he does best while taking away things like contracts that weren't his strengths. The argument could be made that a competent GM should be able to do all those things but Tepper had said he doesn't want to give total control to one person or the other. He likes everyone doing what he thinks are their strengths. So if we move on from Hurney it will be interesting if the new GM gets total control or has a role similar to Hurney now. And it would be nice to know if Hurney is ready to move on or it being forced on him if it happens. It will also be interesting to see if Rhule gets more control or less  or it stays the same.

A big part of Hurney's issue was committing huge guaranteed money to aging players, either through extensions or restructured converting salary to bonus. By many reports, he wanted to extend Cam despite Cam being under contract and struggling with injury issues. We all know what he did with Matt Kalil and KK Short's contracts - typical Marty restructured when he should've been cutting bait. Marty is still Marty.

[Jon Snow]

15 hours ago, 4Corners said:

For every one positive Marty is responsible for there are at least two negatives. 

That's being conservative.