Dane Brugler's First Mock Draft is...surprising

[Verge]

Just now, Waldo said:

Thanks Verge! This is an excellent year to have a strong QB class. 

For sure, it is very comparable to last years, I would say it is probably just below. 

[JawnyBlaze]

57 minutes ago, Verge said:

Though the more I watch the NDSU v CA game, the more I become concerned about Lance. His release is longer (his elbow dips down by his waist a lot) than you would like and it shows up consistently in that game. His positive tape is just so great though.

I am just not a fan of Lance. Doesn’t look like an NFL QB to me. There are at least four QBs in the draft I like more. 
 

However I didn’t like Mahommes either, I thought he’d be a bust, so I recognize my own shortcomings as a scout lol

[CRA]

20 hours ago, Cam's New Arm said:

but also. we ain't picking that high :(

we likely win one more game.  Other teams are going to pull off a win too. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Please don't be so literal, it's painful.

Lawrence is obviously a great prospect - but he's also playing in a gimmick offence with an incredible supporting staff. He's not asked to carry the team or make difficult throws. Yes, he has the arm to make them, but it's not the staple of the offence. 

He projects to the #1 pick because he's got the size, athleticism, arm and pedigree (1 loss in College?) - but when you strip back the layers he's not quite as can't miss as people make out. 

Clemson's receiving options aren't Bama's.    His receiving weapons this year might be the weakest Clemson has had in many many many years.  Talking about some time early in the Tommy Bowden era.   They aren't bad but he isn't playing with freaks.  First year in a LONG time in Clemson they hadn't had a legit #1 type NFL WR to line up on the outside. 

But he hasn't played in a big game this year w/ this cast.  

if they play Ohio St/Bama/etc.   It will be all Lawrence.  Game on his back.  Which we have seen before when he knocked off Ohio St (the perceived best team last year) 

 

[Varking]

I think for the ones putting Wilson over Fields it’s a lack of seeing Wilson that makes him enticing. We’ve seen Fields throw hundreds of passes on a National stage now. He’s had one bad game in his career. And he has done it against better competition than what Wilson plays. We’ve had two solid years of up and down Wilson and then an explosion this year against high school kids. 

[GoPanthers123]

I would trade up to 6 if Fields is there.  I have us picking at 11 th by end of season. This year’s first and next year’s first to get the QB that can lead us to the super bowl.

[stbugs]

4 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Lawrence is obviously a great prospect - but he's also playing in a gimmick offence with an incredible supporting staff. He's not asked to carry the team or make difficult throws. Yes, he has the arm to make them, but it's not the staple of the offence. 

Have you watched him play at all this year? Not making difficult throws? You absolutely have not watched him play. Who are his stud WRs this year? Higgins graduated and Ross, who didn’t play a snap, may not ever play again. His WRs are not Alabama level or even close this year.

Arm chair QB reviews help when you aren’t just spewing the typical stuff about Lawrence. He’s not asked to carry the offense and doesn’t make difficult throws. Hot takes don’t get much worse.

[Varking]

5 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

IMO, Fields needs to show he can go through progressions. 

Fields has the most raw talent in this class but it’s his awareness that brings up question marks when projecting him as a pro. 
 

 

Fields goes through progressions and that’s part of the reason he takes sacks. He isn’t looking to one guy and taking off running if he isn’t open. He’s going through reads. That and Ohio States line has been overrated this year. 

[OldhamA]

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Have you watched him play at all this year? Not making difficult throws? You absolutely have not watched him play. Who are his stud WRs this year? Higgins graduated and Ross, who didn’t play a snap, may not ever play again. His WRs are not Alabama level or even close this year.

Arm chair QB reviews help when you aren’t just spewing the typical stuff about Lawrence. He’s not asked to carry the offense and doesn’t make difficult throws. Hot takes don’t get much worse.

I watched him beat Miami. It's a gimmick system and he's surrounded by a lot of talent. Perhaps that talent isn't Hopkins or Watkins, but it's still NFL talent - most weeks they're going up against guys that aren't going to sniff the NFL. 

Typical stuff? I think you'll find most reviewers of Lawrence are lining up to polish his knob. 

Also please explain how this is a hot take. Do you understand what that awful, awful phrase actually means?

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Clemson's receiving options aren't Bama's.    His receiving weapons this year might be the weakest Clemson has had in many many many years.  Talking about some time early in the Tommy Bowden era.   They aren't bad but he isn't playing with freaks.  First year in a LONG time in Clemson they hadn't had a legit #1 type NFL WR to line up on the outside. 

But he hasn't played in a big game this year w/ this cast.  

if they play Ohio St/Bama/etc.   It will be all Lawrence.  Game on his back.  Which we have seen before when he knocked off Ohio St (the perceived best team last year) 

 

Yep. He had a bad game against LSU, not sure if he pressed because LSU was ripping their secondary apart so he felt like he had to be perfect. His other 3 CFP games are 1073 passing/rushing yards, 9 TDs and 0 interceptions. Two of those three were loaded with day 1 and day 2 defenders and unlike Burrow, Clemson’s OL has been pretty suspect. Clemson has had 1 OL drafted after Lawrence’s first two years and that was in the 4th round.

Clemson has talent but it’s not like outside of Higgins that Lawrence has had LSU or Alabama type WRs and his OL hasn’t been anything to write home about.

People really want to downplay him but I think Lawrence will be phenomenal. Of course there’s no guarantee but he’s the top QB prospect since Luck. Going to suck watching him play elsewhere. 

[stbugs]

13 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I watched him beat Miami. It's a gimmick system and he's surrounded by a lot of talent. Perhaps that talent isn't Hopkins or Watkins, but it's still NFL talent - most weeks they're going up against guys that aren't going to sniff the NFL. 

Typical stuff? I think you'll find most reviewers of Lawrence are lining up to polish his knob. 

Also please explain how this is a hot take. Do you understand what that awful, awful phrase actually means?

Please tell me which WRs are going to be drafted and when. I see no NFL starters. Rodgers is a nice college WR. He’s been Lawrence’s most consistent target all year and has a 5th-7th round grade on most sites. That’s a potential backup/not make a team NFL level.

Also, just noticed you are a Miami fan so the bias is coming out as you are saying nothing but the typical he’s got studs everywhere and hasn’t had to do much. I call it a hot take because it’s the typical provocative commentary on Lawrence to make it seem like you are a QB guru and see something others don’t.

There’s no real substance. I’ve watched most of his games over the past couple years and the playoffs and others his rookie year. I’m biased because I’m a fan but ask any scout if he hasn’t made tons of difficult throws and can make every throw. I just get annoyed when people try to down play him as a prospect. Nothing in life is guaranteed but unless you are trying to make a name for yourself there’s no real scout/draft analyst not putting him at the top and it has nothing to do with his supporting cast.

[mrcompletely11]

4 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Please don't be so literal, it's painful.

Lawrence is obviously a great prospect - but he's also playing in a gimmick offence with an incredible supporting staff. He's not asked to carry the team or make difficult throws. Yes, he has the arm to make them, but it's not the staple of the offence. 

He projects to the #1 pick because he's got the size, athleticism, arm and pedigree (1 loss in College?) - but when you strip back the layers he's not quite as can't miss as people make out. 

Are you high?  Serious question. 

 

What the eff are you striping back exactly?  He calls plays at the line, reads defenses, can make every throw, has insane pocket awareness and is extremely mobile.

 

Hot takes like yours are just garbage.  Trying to sound smarter than you really are

[OldhamA]

Lads I'm going to help you out because that's two of you now that have used the awful phrase 'hot take' incorrectly:

"a piece of commentary, typically produced quickly in response to a recent event, whose primary purpose is to attract attention."

[Jared Patterson]

Verge,

Are you hearing we for sure go QB??? It sure feels like we should. Thanks!