MARTY HURNEY FIRED

[Moo Daeng]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Butler looks a lot better in Buffalo now, though.

I mistakenly typed Butker when I was writing this, which brought up another bad Marty memory.

Butler is playing the same percentage of snaps but his production is down across the board.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Butler is playing the same percentage of snaps but his production is down across the board.

Here's a quote from somebody who knows more than you do...

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Since their bye week, Vernon Butler has been dominant at the point of attack. It’s not a coincidence that the Bills have taken a major step forward as a run-defending unit since then. Butler has played a huge role in their success as he settles into his new position as the one-technique defensive tackle. Butler has been consistently holding the line of scrimmage against multiple blockers and caused disruptions on occasion. The Bills had one of their best run-stuffing games of the seasons against Pittsburgh, mainly thanks to Butler. The Bills allowed just 18 yards on eight attempts (2.3 yards per carry) with Butler in the lineup. The Steelers don’t have a prolific rushing attack, but Butler was just as impactful against the 49ers’ more impressive rushing attack the week before.

With Butler on the field against San Francisco, the Bills allowed 44 yards on 15 carries (2.9 YPC). Butler was also an A.J. Klein missed tackle away at the line of scrimmage from allowing only 26 yards on those 15 attempts (1.7 YPC). Without him on the field, the 49ers gained 42 rushing yards on six attempts (7.0 YPC). Butler has been explosive and powerful and playing like the defender the Bills hoped for when they signed him in the offseason. From here on out, Butler must find the consistency that has eluded him all season. If he plays at the same level down the stretch, the Bills have a dependable one-two punch of run-stuffing defensive tackles between him and Oliver.

The Athletic

[Rocky Davis]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's a quote from somebody who knows more than you do...

The Athletic

Butler has actually been coached in Buffalo....go figure!

[thefuzz]

Mods, this needs to be pinned for a very long time.  It's been a while since I opened the Huddle and smiled.

[Anybodyhome]

Question for looooooooong time Panther fans:

Has any Hurney move been any worse then George Siefert's Sean Gilbert deal?

Yeah, Hurney was bad and I've wanted him gone for years, but despite his utter incompetency, Seifert's deal to get Gilbert may have been the worst this franchise has ever survived.

(Prior to the 1999 season, Gilbert was signed to a 7-year, $46.5M and 2 first round picks. The salary cap in 1999 was $57.3M)

[countryboi]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Like the Rivera firing, Tepper wants to interview people now and not lose out to another owner 

That makes sense, gives them a bit of a head start on something they would have done anyway.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Question for looooooooong time Panther fans:

Has any Hurney move been any worse then George Siefert's Sean Gilbert deal?

Yeah, Hurney was bad and I've wanted him gone for years, but despite his utter incompetency, Seifert's deal to get Gilbert may have been the worst this franchise has ever survived.

Jimmy Clausen?

Gilbert certainly wasn't worth what we gave up for him but at least he contributed.

And yeah, at least we didn't trade a future first rounder for Clausen, but word was we tried.

[Anybodyhome]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jimmy Clausen?

Gilbert certainly wasn't worth what we gave up for him but at least he contributed.

And yeah, at least we didn't trade a future first rounder for Clausen, but word was we tried.

Nahhh. Jimmy only got $1.8M + $1.3M signing for his 4 seasons. His highest annual salary was his last year @ $630k.

(Prior to the 1999 season, Gilbert was signed to a 7-year, $46.5M and 2 first round picks. The salary cap in 1999 was $57.3M)

Money aside, though, it was a lousy pick. Of course, it was 2010- not a QB rich draft with Sam Bradford, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Claussen and Colt McCoy being the only 4 drafted thru 3 rounds. 

There were a couple guys picked soon after Claussen who would have been nice additions: Golden Tate, Brandon Spikes, Sean Lee, Carlos Dunlap....

[Khyber53]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Butler looks a lot better in Buffalo now, though.

I mistakenly typed Butker when I was writing this, which brought up another bad Marty memory.

Butler is looking better, much better. I still hold with the theory that when we lost McDermott and then lost Steve Wilks, the poaching of assistant coaches was something we never recovered from. Not sure exactly how many went each time but those who had been leading the strong defenses of those times just withered away, as did our defensive capabilities and development of players.

 

[Anybodyhome]

3 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Butler is looking better, much better. I still hold with the theory that when we lost McDermott and then lost Steve Wilks, the poaching of assistant coaches was something we never recovered from. Not sure exactly how many went each time but those who had been leading the strong defenses of those times just withered away, as did our defensive capabilities and development of players.

 

I've been watching the Bills as much as I can. I'm happy to see Panthers North doing well. Addison and Klein leading the team with 5 sacks each. Sean McDermott has those guys playing.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

I've been watching the Bills as much as I can. I'm happy to see Panthers North doing well. Addison and Klein leading the team with 5 sacks each. Sean McDermott has those guys playing.

Yeah, Butler's not the only guy looking a lot better in Buffalo than they did here.

Clearly we let the wrong people go in McDermott and Beane.

[Khyber53]

3 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

I've been watching the Bills as much as I can. I'm happy to see Panthers North doing well. Addison and Klein leading the team with 5 sacks each. Sean McDermott has those guys playing.

Had those guys and others playing great when he was here, too. McDermott was too good to keep. Super Bowl contenders often have that problem... those vacant HC positions are immediately tied to the coordinators of the teams in the big dance.

[ladypanther]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Mike Florio on Tepper:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/21/panthers-wont-use-an-outside-firm-for-g-m-search/

Also....

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“This league is set to be an 8-8 league,” Tepper said. “Everything is fair in this league. So if you have better coaches, better GM’s, some advantages with facilities, advantages with the training, management process, whatever those, whatever it is, you know, analytics, whatever that is to give you an edge, that’s what you need. And you need a good quarterback.”

 

[t96]

45 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jimmy Clausen?

Gilbert certainly wasn't worth what we gave up for him but at least he contributed.

And yeah, at least we didn't trade a future first rounder for Clausen, but word was we tried.

How is a 2nd round bust worse than trading 2 first round picks just to massively overpay a player? The Gilbert contract would've been bad even if it were just a free agent signing. He was a solid player but definitely overpaid, and giving 2 first round picks was unacceptable for that type of deal.