Panthers will try to Trevor. Big time.

[thefuzz]

P.S. there are a lot of posters here who have no idea how good Andrew Luck actually was.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Actually I looked it up for clarification  to make sure I was accurate.  He went to 4 probowls but three of those were his first 3 years 2012-2014 and 2018.   But it wasn't as if Indy was depleted of talent  before they drafted Luck. Between 2003 and 2010 the Colts won 10 wins or more. So Luck had talent already and yet he got injured and he was never the same. 

He got injured because they didn't have an offensive line for most of his career, similar to Cam. 

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/andrew-luck-retirement-injuries-hits/

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The offense was cheap, and the single cheapest unit on the offense in 2015? The offensive line.

It was the fourth-cheapest offensive line in the NFL.

Two of the five starters on that 2015 offensive line were undrafted free agents.

Two others were Hugh Thornton and Jack Mewhort. Both Thornton and Mewhort were drafted by Grigson. Neither lasted past their rookie deals (one was cut before the deal ended). Both flopped out of the NFL after the Colts were done with them.

It was behind that line in 2015 that Andrew Luck’s career began to be shortened.

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2012:  38.1% pressure rate, 8% sack + hit rate, 41 sacks

2013:  37.5% pressure rate, 6% sack + hit rate, 32 sacks

2014:  36.2% pressure rate, 5% sack + hit rate, 27 sacks

2015:  40.2% pressure rate, 14% sack + hit rate, 34 sacks (extrapolated to a 16-game season)*

*Played only 7 games due to injury

Luck played in 2016, but was once again a man running for his life, as the stats clearly show:

2016:  44.3% pressure rate, 9% sack + hit rate, 44 sacks (extrapolated to a 16-game season)

Luck was fuging great, and he was murdered by his GM just ignoring the offensive line. 

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

P.S. there are a lot of posters here who have no idea how good Andrew Luck actually was.

yeah i have no idea where you even start with someone who's saying "well actually luck wasn't that great"

but panthers55 has proven repeatedly he's more willing to dig than anyone else is willing to tell him to stop

[Jmac]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

He got injured because they didn't have an offensive line for most of his career, similar to Cam. 

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/andrew-luck-retirement-injuries-hits/

Luck was fuging great, and he was murdered by his GM just ignoring the offensive line. 

Sound familiar?

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Andrew Luck was never great?

IMO, no. He was never a very efficient passer.  He and Cam have virtually identical career completion percentages and all we hear about Cam is that he isn't a good passer. That Colts roster propped him up more than most want to admit. They pulled off an amazing tank job to get him. They went 11-5 his rookie year with him only completion 55% of his passes for 23 TDs and 18 INTs. He still had 15+ INTs in both of his two best seasons.

Luck was always in that very good, just short of elite category but the media hailed him as the GOAT before he ever took an NFL snap so they kept the hype machine up because they couldn't possibly have been wrong.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Agreed on this. Jax is just taking him unless he forces their hand. They lucked into the Jets handing him over, they won’t give him up willingly even if people in here want to try and act like he isn’t an amazing QB prospect we haven’t seen in a long time. Luck takes a 1 win team to 3 straight 11 win seasons and due to injuries people in here act like he sucked. I mean he missed an entire year and came back for one season and led them to the playoffs again with 4500 yards and 39 TDs. He got hurt, he wasn’t bad.

But, I will add again, so you’re saying there’s a chance.

Actually it was a 2 win team in 2011 but let's be real here. Before Luck was drafted  the Colts has 8 years where they had double digits wins from 2003 -2010 with Manning.  The team was not depleted and honestly Luck never got them to the Superbowl. He got them in the playoffs but he surely wasn't a generational talent and wasn't worth mortgaging the farm which is the same with Lawrence. If he is there we should take him but if not there are other guys who could be just as good or better  Neither Mahomes  or Rodgers were the first QB taken in the draft. So no you don't go all in on a QB who is very good but not that much better than some others.   

 

[Snake]

Yeah... Thats probably not going to happen. 

[Manna]

If the Panthers believe that he is the guy during the scouting/draft process, then do whatever means necessary to get the guy. I'd rather have a guy I believe in and suck for a couple years compared to sucking for a couple years without having the guy at QB. Kind of like what we had with Cam in the beginning. 

[electro's horse]

Just now, panthers55 said:

 Neither Mahomes  or Rodgers were the first QB taken in the draft. 

 

1. The Chiefs traded future picks for Mahomes and that seems to have worked out

2. lmao what does the Bears fuging up and taking titty kisser have to do with anything

[FuFuLamePoo]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

IMO, no. He was never a very efficient passer.  He and Cam have virtually identical career completion percentages and all we hear about Cam is that he isn't a good passer. That Colts roster propped him up more than most want to admit. They pulled off an amazing tank job to get him. They went 11-5 his rookie year with him only completion 55% of his passes for 23 TDs and 18 INTs. He still had 15+ INTs in both of his two best seasons.

Luck was always in that very good, just short of elite category but the media hailed him as the GOAT before he ever took an NFL snap so they kept the hype machine up because they couldn't possibly have been wrong.

Completion % doesn't matter

[Moo Daeng]

9 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

He got injured because they didn't have an offensive line for most of his career, similar to Cam. 

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/andrew-luck-retirement-injuries-hits/

Luck was fuging great, and he was murdered by his GM just ignoring the offensive line. 

Nowhere near great enough to warrant giving up several years of your top rounds of draft selections.

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

He got injured because they didn't have an offensive line for most of his career, similar to Cam. 

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/andrew-luck-retirement-injuries-hits/

Luck was fuging great, and he was murdered by his GM just ignoring the offensive line. 

So how is Russell Wilson doing with a pretty poor.line. Let's look at Roethlisburger who had a crappy line for years and flourished. Of course Ben like Cam held the ball too.long contributing to the problem.   Great quarterbacks work within the limitations they have by adapting their game to what they have. Like now Ben gets the ball out quicker than anyone.  Why? Because if he sits back there he gets killed.

I am not saying Luck wasn't good but he wasn't a generational talent and wasn't work trading your whole draft for. lawrence won't be either.

[electro's horse]

16 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

But it wasn't as if Indy was depleted of talent  before they drafted Luck. Between 2003 and 2010 the Colts won 10 wins or more.

hold on im coming back to this because of how stupid it is

how many offensive players from 2010 were still on the team in 2012? Just guess. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

13 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

P.S. there are a lot of posters here who have no idea how good Andrew Luck actually was.

And how far did it get him and the Colts? How good and a QB is doesn't matter if they don't have a supporting cast. Also see Cam for example.