Verge's top 50 players 2021 Draft 1.0

[Verge]

You got my positional rankings, now how do I rank them overall? Here you go.

Top 50 players: 
1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, CLE
2. Zach Wilson, QB,  BYU
3. Kyle Pitts, TE, FLO
4. Penei Sewell, T, ORE
5. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
6. Jaylen Waddle, WR, ALA 
7. Alijah Vera-Tucker, T/G, USC 
8. Patrick Surtain, CB, ALA
9. Caleb Farley, CB, VT
10. Micah Parsons, OLB/ILB, PST
11. Rashawn Slater, T/G, NW 
12. Kwity Paye, DE/DT, MICH
13. Gregory Rousseau, EDGE, MIA 
14. Trey Lance, QB, NDSU 
15. Jaycee Horn, CB, SC
16. Devonta Smith, WR, ALA
17. Justin Fields, QB, OHST
18. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, OLB/ILB, ND
19. Christian Darrisaw, T, VT 
20. Carlos Basham, EDGE, WF
21. Travis Etienne, RB, CLE
22. Zaven Collins, EDGE, TUL
23. Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, GEO
24. Christian Barmore, DT, ALA
25. Najee Harris, RB, ALA 
26. Alex Leatherwood, T, ALA
27. Brevin Jordan, TE, MIA 
28. Jay Tufele, DT, USC
29. Shaun Wade, CB, OHST
30. Marvin Wilson, DT, FST
31. Kadarious Toney, WR/RB, FLO
32. Kenny Gainwell, RB, MEM
33. Trey Smith, G, TEN 
34. Dylan Moses, ILB, ALA
35. Jevon Holland, S, ORE
36. Creed Humphrey, C, OKL
37. Jalen Mayfield, OT, MIC
38. Marquez Stevenson, WR, HOU
39. Trey Hill, C, GEO
40. Rondale Moore, WR, PUR
41. Tyson Campbell, CB, GEO
42. Samuel Cosmi, OT, TEX 
43. Jayson Oweh, EDGE, PENN
44. Rondale Moore, WR, MINN
45. Wyatt Davis, G, OHST
46. Aaron Robinson, CB, FST 
47. Kylin Hill, RB, MSST
48. Paris Ford, S, PITT
49. Mac Jones, QB, ALA 
50. Asante Samuel Jr., CB, FST

[BurnNChinn]

Do you really think Panthers view Mac Jones as pick 8 because I sure as hell don’t and don’t think he is a first rd pick anyway.

[Verge]

1 hour ago, BurnNChinn said:

Do you really think Panthers view Mac Jones as pick 8 because I sure as hell don’t and don’t think he is a first rd pick anyway.

Lol no I do not

[FuFuLamePoo]

Gonna suck so bad when we can't draft Zach Wilson

[bobcat91]

As a Mississippi State season ticket holder who has seen major talent on defense go high, I completely disagree on Kylin Hill being top 50. He isn't terrible but if he is selected before the third someone needs to be fired. His flaws keep him from being great. He has no breakaway speed. He dances too much and never fights for the extra yard, preferring to go out of bounds. He is a terrible pass blocker. Lastly he was kicked off the team. I wouldn't touch him. He has malcontent and headcase written all over him.

Edited February 15, 2021 by bobcat91

[BurnNChinn]

1 hour ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Gonna suck so bad when we can't draft Zach Wilson

Don’t really care, him looking like pickles scares me!

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, BurnNChinn said:

Don’t really care, him looking like pickles scares me!

You can go crazy thinking like that.  I have seen jones compared to Rosen, Lance compared to J Allen, Baker Mayfield compared to Russell Wilson---but I have seen more comparisons between Wilson and Mahommes than Pickles.  Yet I get it--you get that in your head and it changes the way you think. 

Verge, I would like to hear more about Trey Hill.  You seem very high on him.  I have seen him in round 3-6 on similar boards, but when I watched video, I could see little separation between him, Myers, and Humphries--but you did not include Myers--Myers to me is interesting because he has also played G, and he could play LG for a season, get some experience, and take Paradis' job in 2022. 

[chbright]

I'm glad I'm not the only one laughing at so many mock simulators that have Paris Ford and Trey Hill outside the top 150 guys.

 

I really want Hill, think he is a absolute monster inside. Worst case he is a 10 year RG, best he is all pro center. Dude really has only a few little downsides (not the most athletic guy to play the spot, and sometimes isn't perfect as a second level blocker), but he controls the line in both phases.

 

Also I think Terrance Marshall Jr is better than the last few wr on you top 50. He got to be #3 on a loaded squad so got less looks and then instantly went to a baby faced team that wasn't as good at qb. Still did good/great in both situations for a young college guy.

Edited February 15, 2021 by chbright

[45catfan]

11 hours ago, Verge said:

You got my positional rankings, now how do I rank them overall? Here you go.

Top 50 players: 
1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, CLE
2. Zach Wilson, QB,  BYU
3. Kyle Pitts, TE, FLO
4. Penei Sewell, T, ORE
5. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
6. Jaylen Waddle, WR, ALA 
7. Alijah Vera-Tucker, T/G, USC 
8. Patrick Surtain, CB, ALA
9. Caleb Farley, CB, VT
10. Micah Parsons, OLB/ILB, PST
11. Rashawn Slater, T/G, NW 
12. Kwity Paye, DE/DT, MICH
13. Gregory Rousseau, EDGE, MIA 
14. Trey Lance, QB, NDSU 
15. Jaycee Horn, CB, SC
16. Devonta Smith, WR, ALA
17. Justin Fields, QB, OHST
18. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, OLB/ILB, ND
19. Christian Darrisaw, T, VT 
20. Carlos Basham, EDGE, WF
21. Travis Etienne, RB, CLE
22. Zaven Collins, EDGE, TUL
23. Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, GEO
24. Christian Barmore, DT, ALA
25. Najee Harris, RB, ALA 
26. Alex Leatherwood, T, ALA
27. Brevin Jordan, TE, MIA 
28. Jay Tufele, DT, USC
29. Shaun Wade, CB, OHST
30. Marvin Wilson, DT, FST
31. Kadarious Toney, WR/RB, FLO
32. Kenny Gainwell, RB, MEM
33. Trey Smith, G, TEN 
34. Dylan Moses, ILB, ALA
35. Jevon Holland, S, ORE
36. Creed Humphrey, C, OKL
37. Jalen Mayfield, OT, MIC
38. Marquez Stevenson, WR, HOU
39. Trey Hill, C, GEO
40. Rondale Moore, WR, PUR
41. Tyson Campbell, CB, GEO
42. Samuel Cosmi, OT, TEX 
43. Jayson Oweh, EDGE, PENN
44. Rondale Moore, WR, MINN
45. Wyatt Davis, G, OHST
46. Aaron Robinson, CB, FST 
47. Kylin Hill, RB, MSST
48. Paris Ford, S, PITT
49. Mac Jones, QB, ALA 
50. Asante Samuel Jr., CB, FST

I'm really curious as to your next 50 (top 100).  There are several guys I like that I feel are in that 50-75 range.

[OldhamA]

21 hours ago, BurnNChinn said:

Don’t really care, him looking like pickles scares me!

The problems with Wilson are his footwork and his level of competition. I question some of his decision making too - but don't question his arm / ball placement / accuracy. 

He's a guy you'd love to sit for a year if you take him - physically he can do it all. 

[OldhamA]

On 2/15/2021 at 3:16 AM, Verge said:

You got my positional rankings, now how do I rank them overall? Here you go.

Top 50 players: 
1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, CLE
2. Zach Wilson, QB,  BYU
3. Kyle Pitts, TE, FLO
4. Penei Sewell, T, ORE
5. Ja'Marr Chase, WR, LSU
6. Jaylen Waddle, WR, ALA 
7. Alijah Vera-Tucker, T/G, USC 
8. Patrick Surtain, CB, ALA
9. Caleb Farley, CB, VT
10. Micah Parsons, OLB/ILB, PST
11. Rashawn Slater, T/G, NW 
12. Kwity Paye, DE/DT, MICH
13. Gregory Rousseau, EDGE, MIA 
14. Trey Lance, QB, NDSU 
15. Jaycee Horn, CB, SC
16. Devonta Smith, WR, ALA
17. Justin Fields, QB, OHST
18. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, OLB/ILB, ND
19. Christian Darrisaw, T, VT 
20. Carlos Basham, EDGE, WF
21. Travis Etienne, RB, CLE
22. Zaven Collins, EDGE, TUL
23. Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, GEO
24. Christian Barmore, DT, ALA
25. Najee Harris, RB, ALA 
26. Alex Leatherwood, T, ALA
27. Brevin Jordan, TE, MIA 
28. Jay Tufele, DT, USC
29. Shaun Wade, CB, OHST
30. Marvin Wilson, DT, FST
31. Kadarious Toney, WR/RB, FLO
32. Kenny Gainwell, RB, MEM
33. Trey Smith, G, TEN 
34. Dylan Moses, ILB, ALA
35. Jevon Holland, S, ORE
36. Creed Humphrey, C, OKL
37. Jalen Mayfield, OT, MIC
38. Marquez Stevenson, WR, HOU
39. Trey Hill, C, GEO
40. Rondale Moore, WR, PUR
41. Tyson Campbell, CB, GEO
42. Samuel Cosmi, OT, TEX 
43. Jayson Oweh, EDGE, PENN
44. Rondale Moore, WR, MINN
45. Wyatt Davis, G, OHST
46. Aaron Robinson, CB, FST 
47. Kylin Hill, RB, MSST
48. Paris Ford, S, PITT
49. Mac Jones, QB, ALA 
50. Asante Samuel Jr., CB, FST

Not to be THAT guy, but you've just compared Mac Jones to a 'better' Andy Dalton.

Do you really have a 10 year NFL starter, 3 time Pro Bowler with over 30k yards and nearly a 2:1 TD:INT ratio as your 49th best prospect? That just seems nuts. 

[Verge]

Just now, OldhamA said:

Not to be THAT guy, but you've just compared Mac Jones to a 'better' Andy Dalton.

Do you really have a 10 year NFL starter, 3 time Pro Bowler with over 30k yards and nearly a 2:1 TD:INT ratio as your 49th best prospect? That just seems nuts. 

I mean as a prospect coming out of TCU...

[Mother Grabber]

if we are able to sit tight at 8 and get Lance with no future 1st trade shenanigans, I'll have full chub for the rest of the off season.

[Moo Daeng]

On 2/17/2021 at 8:26 AM, Mother Grabber said:

if we are able to sit tight at 8 and get Lance with no future 1st trade shenanigans, I'll have full chub for the rest of the off season.

Adam Caplan was on whatever radio I was listening to in the car this evening. He said it seemed Lance was a second half of the first round guy from his sources.