La Canfora on Tepper's desire for Watson/franchise QB

[Moo Daeng]

16 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Then paired him with Shula lol.

He was kinda prolific with Shula. He won an MVP with him and Olsen as the only outstanding offensive skill player. The beef there should be with the supporting cast  assembled around him by the GMs more than the coordinator.

[pantherj]

If you look at the last 20 SB winners it's pretty clear you need one of the top QBs in the NFL if you want trophies. Signing Teddy was a mistake as it both tied us financially to a second rate QB, but it also prevented us from losing enough games to pick Lawrence. The problem is that our incompetent leadership didn't realize they were making a mistake until now. Well now we've lost the money, and lost out on Lawrence, and our owner is probably angry.

I've followed the Panthers since their inception, and I can say without any hesitation that we've always had incompetent leadership from the top down. We make obvious mistakes and then panic after the fact. Any idiot with common sense knew that TB would never lead this team to a SB win, and singing him to a 3 year deal was foolish. Signing him at all was foolish when we had Grier, who would have led us to Lawrence. But you can go back in Panthers history and see the terrible mistakes, and the price we have payed is zero SB wins, and mostly mediocre teams. No sustained success.

The new leadership failed right out of the gate by making foolish decisions, and what is worse is that we're tied to Rhule with a 7 year mega contract. We gave an unproven coach (at the NFL level) a mega deal, and he thought Teddy was the answer. Idiotic. Now we're stuck. Typical Panthers situation, except Tepper is angrier than JR who just wanted female employees in tight jeans. So stupid.  

Edited February 17, 2021 by pantherj

[onmyown]

37 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It doesn't take being much of an NFL fan or pundit to know that winning in the NFL without an elite QB is extremely difficult. Tepper sees that, as well.

More to the point, for the people that want to build the team first and then try and find our QB.....well....those experiments aren't really going that well in the NFL. The problem is that you rarely can keep that core together long enough to intersect with the careers of the team you have built. 

The NFL salary cap isn't designed to keep dynasty teams and elite talent together. 

What? It’s the other way around. You build a team first. That’s the modern blueprint, to get your QB on a rookie contract with a good team to compete...Bills, Chiefs, Chargers, Cardinals, San Fran soon...chiefs built their team while they had their aging ‘bridge QB’ in Smith he was not their future and they knew that, they used him the same way we should use TB, Colts used Rivers, Patriots used Cam, Dolphins used Fitz, etc. that’s the blueprint.

The other way around gets you Cam and the Panthers, Watson with Texans, Luck and the Colts, Bengals and Burrow. It’s a great way to ruin a good QB and then live in cap hell after he’s paid.

Unless you’re a Brees, Brady or Rodgers...it’s hard to build a winning team and pay a long term franchise QB, the Seahawks are finding that out now and is the reason for Cowboys situation. 

So yea the modern blueprint for success does not start with a franchise QB without a good team in place first. Successful teams outside of HOF outliers (who also have good teams) the idea is to get some success with a qb while on rookie contract.

Edited February 17, 2021 by onmyown

[top dawg]

For all you sarcastic what-a-surprise guys, I'll just say that I don't think that Tepper is playing chicken.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I am not the Texans, so I can't really answer that question. However as a Panthers fan I am just posting my opinions on my preferences. Do I believe they could have interest in YGM, most definitely. Looking back on last years draft, some view him as a top 15 pick in a re-draft. Obviously Burns would be more valuable, and obviously they would rather have Burns,  but that doesn't mean they would totally discredit the idea of YGM if it was negotiated between the teams.

We've seen way too many promising rookies still end up flopping as pros. It's not like YGM lit it up in an every down role like Chinn. He just showed promise in a relatively limited role. If I'm the Texans I tell you to forget that YGM talk. I want Burns.

[MVPccaffrey]

If Tepper makes this happen he'll have done more good for the franchise in two years than the Leg Shaver did in twenty five

[pantherj]

Tepper doesn't have the ability to evaluate QBs, but neither does or current staff. So it's like the blind leading the blind. Our only hope is that our new GM can find an elite QB given our awful situation. The Panthers leadership put us here, and now they have to panic to dig us out. Throwing three 1st round picks at any team for a QB is pure panic mode, and it didn't have to be this way.

[TheProcess]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We've seen way too many promising rookies still end up flopping as pros. It's not like YGM lit it up in an every down role like Chinn. He just showed promise in a relatively limited role. If I'm the Texans I tell you to forget that YGM talk. I want Burns.

As they may very well do, but again as a Panthers fan I would hope our GM would try to negotiate keeping Burns, who by the way has been talked about very little nationally in these conversations. Most talk has revolved around CMC and (3) 1st 

Like If I offered YGM and they countered with Burns, maybe I add Donte to YGM in hopes they bite. 

Again, nobody knows what they will ask or demand, but my post was only what I would prefer or hope to happen 

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, therealmjl said:

Yeah but Mr Scot of the carolinahuddle has been sticking his Dorito crusted fingers in his ears and screaming emphatically that we have no chance so this cannot be true

yup

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We've seen way too many promising rookies still end up flopping as pros. It's not like YGM lit it up in an every down role like Chinn. He just showed promise in a relatively limited role. If I'm the Texans I tell you to forget that YGM talk. I want Burns.

I'd agree.

Gotta remember another team isn't going to look at our players the same way Panthers fans would. They'll have a much more critical eye.

[pantherj]

I seriously doubt the Texans are going to trade Watson. If they did it would be to a team that outsmarted us in the trade deal, but don't worry they won't trade him at all. It would make no sense.

[CPF4LIFE]

Welp....we know what happens when Tepper makes it known he wants something. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

This is finally happening, how exciting 

[joemac]

2 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Tepper doesn't have the ability to evaluate QBs, but neither does or current staff. So it's like the blind leading the blind. Our only hope is that our new GM can find an elite QB given our awful situation. The Panthers leadership put us here, and now they have to panic to dig us out. Throwing three 1st round picks at any team for a QB is pure panic mode, and it didn't have to be this way.

LOL stop with the hyperbole and silliness. You don’t think we have the ability on our staff to successfully scout QBs? They took a swing and a miss at Teddy. poo happens. He looked perfectly suitable in his last stint with NO. And it’s not like there was a plethora of great QBs just itching to come to Charlotte last off season. They shot their shot on Teddy, and unfortunately they missed. It’s easy to play armchair GM after the fact.