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Panthers likely trading back in the first


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4 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

 

I've never liked the it's too early to take player X argument. If he's the guy the team wants, take him regardless of what others think. This is especially true if you really fear he won't be there if you trade back.

You're one of the most negative people I've seen post here. You have no idea what the future holds and are complaining about it. It's football, not life or death.

Depends on the dime and nickels. Some are worth a lot more than others.

Watson was never a real option. The Texans never stated they were willing to trade him. Also, did you mean SF? Because it makes no sense to contact them to trade the pick they just gave up 3 first rounders for.

The Panthers did really goof on the Teddy situation. If they were all in on someone that was not on the trade market or a free agent, that shows very poor judgement by the braintrust. And if it is true, it could mean the future will not be bright for the Panthers.

I have no idea what the future holds? Well check back in with me when I’m wrong about something. I’m not negative I’m a realist, if that real is negative then so be it. This team continues to make dumb ass decisions and this is coming from someone who spends a few thousand on PSLs every year so forgive me for getting my complaining out of the way. You will join me by midseason. Y’all always do. 

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2 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

We had the eighth pick last year and Chinn was at least as good as Brown. Probably better. And neither was good enough to elevate the defense from dreadful to good. This roster needs a lot of talent. Nobody at 8 is going to be good enough to move the needle on their own. Assuming that the QBs, Pitts, and Sewell are gone, trading down is the best option.

Considering expectations, our D performed admirably. Prior to the season, pretty much all of us expected to have one of if not the worst defense in the NFL and they were pretty far from that.

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1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

I have no idea what the future holds? Well check back in with me when I’m wrong about something. I’m not negative I’m a realist, if that real is negative then so be it. This team continues to make dumb ass decisions and this is coming from someone who spends a few thousand on PSLs every year so forgive me for getting my complaining out of the way. You will join me by midseason. Y’all always do. 

Considering telling the future is beyond humanity, yeah, you don't know what the future holds. You called guys bums when you have zero idea of who they might be before they are signed or drafted by the Panthers. That's being negative. Is Fields or one of the other big five QBs in this class a bum if they get drafted by the Panthers and take over for Darnold at some point during the season or next year? Your paying for PSLs doesn't matter nor would it matter if you never watch a game in person. I'm not high on Tepper or the people he's hired, but I'll give them a chance just like I'll give Darnold a chance.

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18 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

We had the eighth pick last year and Chinn was at least as good as Brown. Probably better. And neither was good enough to elevate the defense from dreadful to good. This roster needs a lot of talent. Nobody at 8 is going to be good enough to move the needle on their own. Assuming that the QBs, Pitts, and Sewell are gone, trading down is the best option.

Trading down a couple of spots is a good option but trading down to the 15 spot is not! Slater is in some ways more dynamic than Sewell so loosing out on both is stupid or should be. Is getting a good enough corner at 15 plus another pick really worth giving up game changing talent, I think not.

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15 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Considering expectations, our D performed admirably. Prior to the season, pretty much all of us expected to have one of if not the worst defense in the NFL and they were pretty far from that.

For sure. But those expectations were set so low because of a real lack of talent on the roster. Last year's draft class is helping, but we could still use help at every level. We're still in a position where one guy's not going to be able to live up to his potential because there are too many weaknesses elsewhere. 

For instance, Derrick Brown played at or above what I thought his pass-rushing ceiling was going to be last year. But we had to drop eight guys in coverage so often that even when he beat his guy, there were too many blockers who could help on him. That's not getting fixed until we find at least a couple more solid coverage guys.

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Just now, glitchh8 said:

Trading down a couple of spots is a good option but trading down to the 15 spot is not! Slater is in some ways more dynamic than Sewell so loosing out on both is stupid or should be. Is getting a good enough corner at 15 plus another pick really worth giving up game changing talent, I think not.

This is just a compensation question--if we move back to 15, the extra picks that we get from the other team have to make up for the fact that we're moving back to 15 instead of, say, 10. Fitterer's on record with the opinion that there are about 15-18 guys in a given draft that are at a different level than everybody else. I trust him to stay within the tier he wants while maximizing the value of our pick.

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12 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

For sure. But those expectations were set so low because of a real lack of talent on the roster. Last year's draft class is helping, but we could still use help at every level. We're still in a position where one guy's not going to be able to live up to his potential because there are too many weaknesses elsewhere. 

For instance, Derrick Brown played at or above what I thought his pass-rushing ceiling was going to be last year. But we had to drop eight guys in coverage so often that even when he beat his guy, there were too many blockers who could help on him. That's not getting fixed until we find at least a couple more solid coverage guys.

Bouye, Melvin, and Jackson (being healthy) should help some. Plus Chinn and Pride having more experience.

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Bouye, Melvin, and Jackson (being healthy) should help some. Plus Chinn and Pride having more experience.

Melvin is going to be on his fourth team in four years, and this will be Bouye's third team in as many years. If they weren't helpful enough to stay on any of those teams, why do we think that they'll help that much here?

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5 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

Melvin is going to be on his fourth team in four years, and this will be Bouye's third team in as many years. If they weren't helpful enough to stay on any of those teams, why do we think that they'll help that much here?

Because our secondary was that bad.. these guys are at least capable. I think Bouye will be solid. He had some injuries and was getting a big salary plus had a down year. He looked legit in Jacksonville as the number 2 CB just a couple years ago.

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Because our secondary was that bad.. these guys are at least capable. I think Bouye will be solid. He had some injuries and was getting a big salary plus had a down year. He looked legit in Jacksonville as the number 2 CB just a couple years ago.

I hope you're right. I'd still say that the most likely outcome is that the secondary needs a major infusion of talent across multiple positions before we can maximize the young talent on the defensive line.

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On 4/21/2021 at 8:05 PM, AceBoogie said:

I have no idea what the future holds? Well check back in with me when I’m wrong about something. I’m not negative I’m a realist, if that real is negative then so be it. This team continues to make dumb ass decisions and this is coming from someone who spends a few thousand on PSLs every year so forgive me for getting my complaining out of the way. You will join me by midseason. Y’all always do. 

If you’re not happy sell them, I think there would be someone that would enjoy it more than you. I mean you complaining isn’t going to help, we’re fans that’s it!

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