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Per Matt Miller, the Carolina Panthers are the most improved team exiting the draft...


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4 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

Dude, do you know how important a competent LS is?  Long snapping is an art form and it isn't easy, try snapping a bowl 13-15 yards on the mark with velocity knowing you are about to also have to block.

A good LS is worth his weight as a STARTER.

How many bad snaps where there all last year? It’s good to have a solid LS but let’s be honest, all 31 other starting LSs aren’t having bad snaps every game.

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5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

How many bad snaps where there all last year? It’s good to have a solid LS but let’s be honest, all 31 other starting LSs aren’t having bad snaps every game.

I'll let you do that leg work, but the Panthers have been fortunate with JJ and drafted the best LS coming out of college.

Oh, and it only takes 1 bad snap from an LS to completely change the complexion of a game.

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4 minutes ago, chknwing said:

I would say Deonte more than likely is a day 1 starter.

I disagree completely. Not anything to do with how I feel about Brown, but a 6th rounder isn’t likely to make the team let alone be a day 1 starter. I know people like to say you can get steals later in the draft but expecting that he’s one of the one or two starters that come from round 6 is a stretch. I’d love to see Moore win a job but I only think Christensen has an inside shot at starting because he should only have to beat out Scott and the staff wants him to win a spot. The staff also wants their $14M guaranteed guys to start, likely as Gs.

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7 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

I'll let you do that leg work, but the Panthers have been fortunate with JJ and drafted the best LS coming out of college.

Oh, and it only takes 1 bad snap from an LS to completely change the complexion of a game.

Ok, so you’ve got nothing other than a hypothetical anecdote. Also, the worry about blocking you mentioned isn’t as much of a worry anymore, since no defensive player can line up over the snapper. I’m shocked that with your long snapper knowledge that you forgot that. Certainly not the same worry about blocking that centers have.

Here’s a link I did find that mentions some key games where a long snapper affected the outcome:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_snapper#In_the_NCAA

In 3 of the games mentioned, the regular long snapper was injured and out of the game. In the 4th, it was a horrible snapper who botched prior year’s games but since he was on the Bengals they kept him and he botched so many that he was released.

Anecdotes are awesome but it sure doesn’t seem to be a common issue just an issue if the regular snapper gets hurt or if you play for the Bungles.

This discussion started with calling a long snapper a starter and I agree that they aren’t considered a starter. Regardless of the art form and the huge importance of a long snapper (bad snaps are in fact bad), it sure doesn’t seem like it’s a common issue outside of one terrible Bengal snapper who wasn’t replaced when he should have been.

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38 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

Dude, do you know how important a competent LS is?  Long snapping is an art form and it isn't easy, try snapping a ball 13-15 yards on the mark with velocity knowing you are about to also have to block.

A good LS is worth his weight as a STARTER.

It's MUCH easier than it used to be with all the rule changes.

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36 minutes ago, Rocky Davis said:

Dude, do you know how important a competent LS is?  Long snapping is an art form and it isn't easy, try snapping a ball 13-15 yards on the mark with velocity knowing you are about to also have to block.

A good LS is worth his weight as a STARTER.

Agree completely

It's a job nobody notices until a botched snap ends a field goal attempt.   Then everybody realizes the LS is worth his weight in gold. 

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22 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I disagree completely. Not anything to do with how I feel about Brown, but a 6th rounder isn’t likely to make the team let alone be a day 1 starter. I know people like to say you can get steals later in the draft but expecting that he’s one of the one or two starters that come from round 6 is a stretch. I’d love to see Moore win a job but I only think Christensen has an inside shot at starting because he should only have to beat out Scott and the staff wants him to win a spot. The staff also wants their $14M guaranteed guys to start, likely as Gs.

I genuinely don't think that's how it'll work under Rhule.

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8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I genuinely don't think that's how it'll work under Rhule.

I think it is but I’ll change my wording from “want” to expect. I think the staff expects them to be the starters. I’d love to see a monster like Moore win a job, but I don’t think we signed Elflein and Erving to starter level deals (top 15 RG/LG deals) with decent guarantees assuming they’d be backing up a rookie.

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