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Film Study: GREAT FIT: Why Sam Darnold will be a great Quarterback for the Carolina Panthers.


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8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, mediocre is probably ultimately not worth trading for either. He doesn't have to be elite but he does need to be good for that trade to make sense.

 

Of course he has to earn the job, no one is saying otherwise.  I think most of us are willing to give the kid a chance before we condemn him to the trash heap.  The kid has all the odds against him to make it in the NFL, similar to a QB we once had here. 

According to our head coach the cost to get him has already be recouped so he cost the team only his salary and time.

I would love nothing more for this kid to beat the odds and silence his doubters when he becomes an all-pro.

Will he?  Only time will tell.  Just like for any QB taken in this draft.  Including Sunshine.

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1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

He doesn't have to be elite, he just has to not be bad ( or timid like Teddy) or turn the ball over a lot which puts in a position to not be able to recover.  He just has to be good enough to help us win.  That's the bar set for him.  Anything better is a bonus.

Eh Sam isn't exactly careful with the ball and has had some really bad turnovers with the Jets and at USC his sophomore year. 39 INTS and 9 fumbles in 38 games with the Jets isn't confidence inspiring, but on the whole not terrible. He isn't Winston levels of turnover machine atleast, but Winston also put up points (just not enough for the points he gave away).

 

I think Sam needs to be closer to early Jake Delhomme (2003-2005) to get the team where they want to go. Now they need a better D than 2020, kinda like Jake did, to really make any noise. And really that's not a bridge too far for him. Jake was never the completion percentage king, but he did push the ball down field. I'm hoping Sam gets back to that like at USC. I'm willing to see if he looks average with streaks of good/great play this year and makes the real jump in 2022 to good/great on the whole. 

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59 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I'd love it if he "hit" here and we were able to finally have the answer to our QB-post Cam question.  But if he doesn't, I'm sure Fit and Rhule will be looking for a QB until they find one.  That's the nature of the NFL.  As we also saw with the Chiefs, it doesn't matter what your record is, you can trade up in the draft for a guy you think is your franchise QB.

I understand where you're coming from but I would caution anyone in expecting a quick search for the next quarterback if Darnold doesn't work out. Sure we can point to Pat Mahomes but you can also point to many other teams who were not so fortunate over the last decade or two. Look at how many quarterbacks the Browns drafted before Mayfield and even he is still proving himself. The qb hype of the 2021 draft has temporarily painted over some glaring trends of the past only time will tell how that works out with this recent draft class.

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5 minutes ago, frankw said:

I understand where you're coming from but I would caution anyone in expecting a quick search for the next quarterback if Darnold doesn't work out. Sure we can point to Pat Mahomes but you can also point to many other teams who were not so fortunate over the last decade or two. Look at how many quarterbacks the Browns drafted before Mayfield and even he is still proving himself. The qb hype of the 2021 draft has temporarily painted over some glaring trends of the past only time will tell how that works out with this recent draft class.

I agree.  I do expect the search to start pretty immediately if Darnold flames out.  Will we find a franchise QB?  That's a much more complicated and scary proposition...  Getting a franchise QB is not easy!

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If this kid starts dropping wins w/300 yard+ 2TD+ games for us, we could be in for a show. 

Tampa's defense could be hard to go against but both ATL and NO are young and nothing special.  I expect Brady to approach things a bit more seasoned, may refine his approach w/ 2nd year adjustments.

And consider an improved OL, CMC-Hubbard, Moore-Robbie-Marshall, & Arnold-Tremble in his spread, we could see a lot of really cool sh*t going on.  

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9 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Not used to a dude with that accent talking about this kind of football. 

Same.

Does he understand pass routes? 🤔

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8 hours ago, CPsinceDay1 said:

 During Week 16 against the Green Bay Packers, Darnold finished with 341 passing yards and three touchdowns. Marred by 16 penalties, the Jets squandered a 15-point lead and lost 44–38 in overtime.[47] During Week 17 against the New England Patriots, Darnold finished with 167 passing yards as the Jets lost 38–3 in the regular-season finale. (reference)

How he perform after this game though?

Oh, that's right Coach Belichick watches film too.

Last game of that year, Sam looked lost.

Came back the year after ok but sick, missed a couple games, then guess what, that's right, Coach Belichick had the boy seeing Ghosts....

There was potential, WAS, until Belichick showed the blueprint on how to dismantle Sam.

Hey, if he proves me wrong, my team makes the playoffs.(1st year PSL owner:) I'll admit it if I'm wrong, hell, I'll buy a Darnold jersey and put 's B***h because that's what you do when you make a mistake.

How many excuses are there going be when Sam fails though???

Are you really referencing a game where a rookie Sam Darnold played vs Bill Belichick? I’ve seen Bill make QBs and teams look stupid every other week. Especially young QBs. How did Justin Herbert perform last year vs Bill? Score 0-45, 209 yd and 2 int. What about Jared Goff in the Super Bowl after having an amazing season. Score 3-13, 229 yd and 1 int. Rookie Andrew Luck, score 27-50, 334 yd, 2 td and 3 int. 

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19 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I agree.  I do expect the search to start pretty immediately if Darnold flames out.  Will we find a franchise QB?  That's a much more complicated and scary proposition...  Getting a franchise QB is not easy!

Yeah, which is why they pursued Stafford and Watson so heavily. 

I suspect we will start showing a lot more desperation next offseason if the QB position is an issue. That is one of the quickest ways to get canned in the NFL. Keep failing in your QB search.

This is why I was dreading the post Cam era so much.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Same.

Does he understand pass routes? 🤔

I see what you did there, lol.  Seriously, we have several Brits and Aussies’ on our message boards, they’re very knowledgeable.  
They even understand the whole college loyalty, history and tradition thing.  We hosted an Aussie who traveled to the US to see a game and experience a tailgate.
 

Fun guys, just as passionate as our craziest of the craziest. 

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, which is why they pursed Stafford and Watson so heavily. 

I suspect we will start showing a lot more desperation next offseason if the QB position is an issue. That is one of the quickest ways to get canned in the NFL. Keep failing in your QB search.

This is why I was dreading the post Cam era so much.

This day was inevitable. The post Cam era actually started in 2016. Ron and Marty made sure of that.  

This staff will not ruin a superstar QB the way Ron did.  The good thing for us is that they are building this team to where they don't have to rely on one to compete.  Unlike Ron and Co.

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5 minutes ago, 1usctrojan said:

I see what you did there, lol.  Seriously, we have several Brits and Aussies’ on our message boards, they’re very knowledgeable.  
They even understand the whole college loyalty, history and tradition thing.  We hosted an Aussie who traveled to the US to see a game and experience a tailgate.
 

Fun guys, just as passionate as our craziest of the craziest. 

Vincent Richardson, one of the Roaring Riot guys, is from "across the pond".

He's a damn smart football guy too.

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5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

This day was inevitable. The post Cam era actually started in 2016. Ron and Marty made sure of that.  

This staff will not ruin a superstar QB the way Ron did.  The good thing for us is that they are building this team to where they don't have to rely on one to compete.  Unlike Ron and Co.

Well, we have to get a superstar QB to ruin, first. Maybe we are building a team that doesn't rely on a superstar to compete. As aggressively as we pursued an established elite QB, I think I see that they view it as a priority.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, we have to get a superstar QB to ruin, first. Maybe we are building a team that doesn't rely on a superstar to compete. As aggressively as we pursued an established elite QB, I think I see that they view it as a priority.

Of course they do.  There are only a hand full of elite QB's in the NFL at any given time and it hasn't deviated from that in my 50+ years of watching.   Waiting on one to fall in your lap before you try to build a complete team is not an option.  You have to build a complete team to be a consistent competitor.  If not you get the Panthers you have always had.

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