The Ohio State / Darnold QB Challenge

[Varking]

19 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

You pass on Howell. You take Rattler. 

There’s a good chance that you’d have to pass on Rattler to take Howell. By seasons end who knows which of these goes first overall? Or somebody pulls a Burrow and jumps everyone. 

[CRA]

21 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

39 years of QBs from Ohio State University drafted to play in the NFL. 37 TOTAL NFL wins. 

The best QB they produced on the NFL level (Tomczak) was a 55% passer in college with more interceptions than TDs.  That QB, undrafted, managed to get more NFL wins than all other Ohio St. QBs drafted during the past 39 years.

This is the same school that caused Burrow to transfer to LSU--and in 10 games with the Bengals he won 2 games--if he had not been hurt and was QB when the Bengals won all four games in 2020, he would have tied the CAREER TOTALS for the top drafted QBs at Ohio St since 1982.  THAT is how good OSU QBs have been.

Let that sink in. 

Not to say that Fields is not going to succeed, they are due. 

Darnold goes to the worst football team in the NFL, a program who has not had a successful QB since Namath, if you dont count Richard Todd, and I dont.  Now you are going back 50 years.  And he sucks, but Fields is the messiah? 

Not sure I follow that logic.

 

 

Woody Dantzler and Clipboard Jesus are just as relevant to Trevor Lawerence as Cardell Jones is to Trevor Lawrence.   The fact two also got  tiger paw stickers doesn’t actually make them more relevant to Trevor in terms his NFL outlook. 

[Varking]

7 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

Tyler Shough is so underrated. Howell is overrated. Rattler is the real deal. Ridder is a sleeper. Not a fan of Slovis. Daniels is crap.

I agree on the general ideas here. I’m not sold on Daniels or Slovis. 

[Ocpanthertew714]

I understand what you're trying to say.  However, this type of "regression modeling" does not work in this instance.  Yes, it would appear that most of Ohio St. QB's do not fair so well in the NFL. But certainly we can't say that because Justin Fields is from Ohio St., that he will not succeed in the NFL, solely on the fact that Fields played at Ohio ST.  FSU has long been known as DBU... should we have taken Asante Samuel Jr. before Horn?  Because FSU has decorated history of outstanding talent at the DB position?? 

As I said, I understand your way of thinking, and I appreciate your crystal ball optimism.

  

 

    

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

I understand what you're trying to say.  However, this type of "regression modeling" does not work in this instance.  Yes, it would appear that most of Ohio St. QB's do not fair so well in the NFL. But certainly we can't say that because Justin Fields is from Ohio St., that he will not succeed in the NFL, solely on the fact that Fields played at Ohio ST.  FSU has long been known as DBU... should we have taken Asante Samuel Jr. before Horn?  Because FSU has decorated history of outstanding talent at the DB position?? 

As I said, I understand your way of thinking, and I appreciate your crystal ball optimism.

  

 

    

Gamecocks actually have put out some pretty decent high end corners into the NFL for whatever that is worth.   Might be the spot they have done the best at in the NFL of late.  Joseph and Gilmore and now Horn is better than a lot of of places. 

I think if you were going to talk about a Ohio St QB like Haskins….you have to go down to FL and trace the Urban QBs….and not stay at Ohio St.   I think the FL QBs become more relevant to him than old Ohio St players. 

 

[Ocpanthertew714]

25 minutes ago, CRA said:

Gamecocks actually have put out some pretty decent high end corners into the NFL for whatever that is worth.   Might be the spot they have done the best at in the NFL of late.  Joseph and Gilmore and now Horn is better than a lot of of places. 

I think if you were going to talk about a Ohio St QB like Haskins….you have to go down to FL and trace the Urban QBs….and not stay at Ohio St.   I think the FL QBs become more relevant to him than old Ohio St players. 

 

Yes, I agree but let's say for the sake of the argument, someone who lives on the West coast (me), would first think of FSU as DBU.  Then I would think...oh well South Carolina produces a top talent here and there. Suffice it say, I think we both understand what we are trying to say. 

 

 

[CRA]

45 minutes ago, CRA said:

Gamecocks actually have put out some pretty decent high end corners into the NFL for whatever that is worth.   Might be the spot they have done the best at in the NFL of late.  Joseph and Gilmore and now Horn is better than a lot of of places. 

I think if you were going to talk about a Ohio St QB like Haskins….you have to go down to FL and trace the Urban QBs….and not stay at Ohio St.   I think the FL QBs become more relevant to him than old Ohio St players. 

 

Yep,  you get removed from different coaches and schemes….the fact played guys played at the same schools becomes pretty meaningless. 
 

Haskins has more connection to FLTebow than Fields for example 

[Basbear]

Content machine MHS can not be stopped......unless hair gel is bogof at walgreens.

[kungfoodude]

OP has taken a full gulp of the current Kool Aid. I am a lot more skeptical of the overall moves we made but I am willing go give our choices a "wait and see."

I definitely acknowledge that if Slater or Fields turn into league stars, we might be looking kind of hard at our choices this past offseason. But, it's a "whole picture" thing. If Darnold miraculously becomes something he isn't, then it would be a moot point. Same for if Horn becomes a top 5 CB. 

The people arguing any of this is set in stone are completely absurd. Fields may very well bust, just as well as Horn or Lawrence or Sewell or anyone. They wouldn't be close to the first "sure thing" first round picks to not be able to make that jump or be riddled with injuries or have some other issues keep them from being NFL stars.

[grimesgoat]

18 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

If Mark Sanchez is towards the top of that list it isn’t a very good list. 

Ironically, Sanchez went 33-29 for the Jets.  A QB with a winning record for the Jets is a rare gem indeed.  Not too many around.

[X-Clown]

"QBs that went to California are busts in the NFL. That's why Aaron Rodgers fell in the draft.."

Probably MHS in 2005

 

 

 

[Ivan The Awesome]

19 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Perhaps this makes you feel a little better:

Ohio State QBs that played in NFL:

Don Scott
Johnny Borton
Dave Leggett
Frank Kremblas
Ron Maciejowski
Greg Hare
Cornelius Greene
Art Schlichter
Jim Karsatos
Tom Tupa
Kent Graham
Bobby Hoying
Joe Germaine
Steve Bellisari
Craig Krenzel
Troy Smith
Terrelle Pryor
Braxton Miller
Cardale Jones

Dwayne Haskins

Remember, many of these were first rounders--franchise saviors.

So here is the challenge:  Pick ONE of the QBs from Ohio State's all time QB list who you'd trade for Darnold if both were  age 24.  Make a lengthy list if necessary.  Use an extra sheet of paper if you need to do so.

lol

 

Every USC QB. (not sure how many played in the NFL but the ones I do recognize none of them were anything special.)

 

Kedon Slovis
JT Daniels        
Kedon Slovis
Matt Fink        
JT Daniels    
Jack Sears    
Sam Darnold     
Max Browne    
Cody Kessler      
Matt Barkley
Max Wittek    
Matt Barkley
Mitch Mustain    
Matt Barkley    
Aaron Corp    
Mark Sanchez    
John David Booty    
Mark Sanchez      
Matt Leinart        
Carson Palmer    
Mike Van Raaphorst    
John Fox      
Brad Otton    
Rob Johnson 
Todd Marinovich
Shane Foley    
Rodney Peete    
Sean Salisbury    
Tim Green    
Kevin McLean        
Sean Salisbury
Scott Tinsley    
John Mazur    
Gordon Adams    
Scott Tinsley    
Paul McDonald
Rob Preston        
Rob Hertel    
Vince Evans            
Mike Sanford    

 

 

What is your point again? Are you trying to justify the passing(Pun definitely intended) of Fields? Because of what? Where they went to school? Like....give me more substance than that cherry picking piece of information. 

[ForJimmy]

12 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Ironically, Sanchez went 33-29 for the Jets.  A QB with a winning record for the Jets is a rare gem indeed.  Not too many around.

Yeah they had a pretty dominate defense with Rex Ryan for a minute. Once the defense fell off they moved on from Sanchez...

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