Panthers Offensive Line Grades from PFF

[OldhamA]

59 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

This is how we solve the problem, run 2 TE sets....max protect, bench Darnold and run CMC out of the wildcat every play.  No? 

If you've got a weak group of iOL the last thing you want to do is to stack the box. 

[OldhamA]

6 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

For those of you surprised by Matt’s grade you need to remember PFF o-line grades are based on both passing and rushing snaps.

Go look at Paradis run grade vs pass grade.

Also fans tend to grade offensive lineman based off of the occasional terrible play but occasionally that doesn’t tell you the full picture.

Player A can give up 2 pressures, 1 sack, no penalties, and block great in the run game.

Player B can give up 5 pressures, 0 sacks, 2 penalties and have several missed blocks in the run game.

A lot of  fans will think player A played worse because all they notice or remember is the one sack.

 

 

Fans notice the OL that give up splash plays. You just want consistently from OLmen. 

[Eazy-E]

Paradis probably got a higher grade because the guard play next to him was so bad.

[Cdparr7]

Paradis isn’t that bad, he just craps the bed at critical times.

[Scott12345]

this is just lousy

[45catfan]

33 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

If you've got a weak group of iOL the last thing you want to do is to stack the box. 

Very true, but I was obviously joking too.

[Smittymoose]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

For those of you surprised by Matt’s grade you need to remember PFF o-line grades are based on both passing and rushing snaps.

Go look at Paradis run grade vs pass grade.

Also fans tend to grade offensive lineman based off of the occasional terrible play but occasionally that doesn’t tell you the full picture.

Player A can give up 2 pressures, 1 sack, no penalties, and block great in the run game.

Player B can give up 5 pressures, 0 sacks, 2 penalties and have several missed blocks in the run game.

A lot of  fans will think player A played worse because all they notice or remember is the one sack.

 

 

people should also consider that PFF grades are trash

[AU-panther]

12 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

people should also consider that PFF grades are trash

Compared to? What do you have that is better to compare all of the players in the league relative to each other? 

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Other than Paradis, seems fairly spot on. It is what we thought it was. One stud and four problem spots.

I don't know why y'all are getting on Paradis. He held up pretty well considering what was to his left and right.

[bythenbrs]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

For those of you surprised by Matt’s grade you need to remember PFF o-line grades are based on both passing and rushing snaps.

Go look at Paradis run grade vs pass grade.

Also fans tend to grade offensive lineman based off of the occasional terrible play but occasionally that doesn’t tell you the full picture.

Player A can give up 2 pressures, 1 sack, no penalties, and block great in the run game.

Player B can give up 5 pressures, 0 sacks, 2 penalties and have several missed blocks in the run game.

A lot of  fans will think player A played worse because all they notice or remember is the one sack.

 

 

Stop with the data-driven analysis.  You will confuse some people.

[KB_fan]

4 hours ago, t96 said:

Miller is a better option than those 2 at guard, once he's available. 

Hard to know how badly Covid will affect him.  I hope he comes back quickly and fully healthy, but hard to count on that.

[Monrowed]

4 hours ago, 45catfan said:

The Saints DL is looking at this an licking their chops.  Oh, and who didn't see this hot mess coming?  Most of us did, but the somehow caching staff didn't???

The coaching staff was/is hoping to scheme their way out of this issue. It seems that their idea is to utilize a short and quick passing attack with CMC spoiling the pass to take the pressure of of the O-Line. It may work with average to below average teams, but good teams will not be as susceptible.

Edited September 13, 2021 by Monrowed

[Smittymoose]

6 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Compared to? What do you have that is better to compare all of the players in the league relative to each other? 

Just because it exists does not make it good or valuable. It is the grading opinion of a bunch of dudes who never played football, and nothing more. 

[Smittymoose]

6 hours ago, bythenbrs said:

Stop with the data-driven analysis.  You will confuse some people.

It's not "data-driven analysis." Nerds want to believe it because they like the idea of playing sports on spreadsheets, but it isn't analysis of data. All it is is a bunch of keyboard warriors who never played football giving "grades" to football players without knowing the play call or the player responsibilities.

PFF has valuable tracking stats. These grades are worthless.