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7 minutes ago, joemac said:

I don't get that at all.  Sam's only been sacked like what, 4 or 5 times in 3 games?  We've consistently moved the ball and scored points.  I agree they are bad, but not THAT bad....

Maybe, just maybe, Sam’s escapability and under appreciated mobility helps?  The kid in NY has a better line than Sam had, yet he can’t stay upright.

Maybe I’m wrong, sure you folks will let me know if I’m wrong. 

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1 minute ago, 1usctrojan said:

Maybe, just maybe, Sam’s escapability and under appreciated mobility helps?  The kid in NY has a better line than Sam had, yet he can’t stay upright.

Maybe I’m wrong, sure you folks will let me know if I’m wrong. 

What do you see when you watch the games. 

Does Sam get pressure?  Sure. 
Is our line the best?  Certainly not. 
Is it worse than the Jets line?  Are you kidding?

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13 minutes ago, joemac said:

I don't get that at all.  Sam's only been sacked like what, 4 or 5 times in 3 games?  We've consistently moved the ball and scored points.  I agree they are bad, but not THAT bad....

It is the same thing as last season. Scheme is covering up how terrible they are.

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It is the same thing as last season. Scheme is covering up how terrible they are.

I supposed your right, but at the end of the day, the job of pass blocking is the give the QB time to throw and keep him from getting sacked.  With that, there are loads of QBs who've gotten hit and sacked more than Sam thus far this year.  I don't think their actual performance on the field justifies them being ranked in their own freaking quadrant in that graph. 

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2 minutes ago, joemac said:

I supposed your right, but at the end of the day, the job of pass blocking is the give the QB time to throw and keep him from getting sacked.  With that, there are loads of QBs who've gotten hit and sacked more than Sam thus far this year.  I don't think their actual performance on the field justifies them being ranked in their own freaking quadrant in that graph. 

We see the results on the field too. They get beat early and often. 

It's a limiting factor for the offense in the long term, no matter how well it is going at the moment. 

There is nothing that can be done currently. It's a critical upgrade that needs to be made in the next couple of offseasons.

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4 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

What do you see when you watch the games. 

Does Sam get pressure?  Sure. 
Is our line the best?  Certainly not. 
Is it worse than the Jets line?  Are you kidding?

Nope, meant the kid in NY has a better line than Sam had while in NY.  I think KungFoodude is right, scheme covers up how poor the line is.  
 

Think Ryan K was right about Jets/Gase stunting a QBs growth.  Panthers coaches are scheming to compensate for the poor line.

“It was a system that didn’t allow a lot of individual freedom. It was very, ‘You do it this way and that’s it.’ A lot of the scheme was pre-determined (plays) based on what they thought they were seeing from the sideline. It didn’t give Sam a lot of room to grow, in my opinion, to make decisions on the fly. It worked in some instances, but it handicapped him in the long run. It wasn’t a system that allowed him to evolve and make decisions on his own. I think that was the hardest thing. And I think that’s why ultimately the Jets made some (coaching) changes, too.”

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19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It is the same thing as last season. Scheme is covering up how terrible they are.

Every team can say that.

Zack Wilson's been sacked 15 times, his sack total a game 5 is almost equal to the year total for Donald at 6. How can anyone rank the Jet's online has performance better than the Panthers. 

Not the best oline in the league but far from the worst. 

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12 minutes ago, 1usctrojan said:

Nope, meant the kid in NY has a better line than Sam had while in NY.  I think KungFoodude is right, scheme covers up how poor the line is.  
 

Think Ryan K was right about Jets/Gase stunting a QBs growth.  Panthers coaches are scheming to compensate for the poor line.

“It was a system that didn’t allow a lot of individual freedom. It was very, ‘You do it this way and that’s it.’ A lot of the scheme was pre-determined (plays) based on what they thought they were seeing from the sideline. It didn’t give Sam a lot of room to grow, in my opinion, to make decisions on the fly. It worked in some instances, but it handicapped him in the long run. It wasn’t a system that allowed him to evolve and make decisions on his own. I think that was the hardest thing. And I think that’s why ultimately the Jets made some (coaching) changes, too.”

Sam is doing well, and has plenty of experience with a bad OL.  But we are are seeing a performance very similar to what we saw last year and no one would try to say Teddy was super elusive or an awesome scrambler.  Our pass blocking is ok, and our run blocking is poor.  First two games weren't too bad against tough DL's, but we were BAD against Houston.

The line is what it is.  I wish the rookies were ready, but apparently they aren't yet.  

Cheering when our OL gets injured doesn't help.  People here were posting disappointment now that it looks like Williams is going to play on Sunday.    

The line whine is an integrated part of the DNA of the huddle.

 

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38 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

PFF Grade Matt Paradis 67.0
PFF Grade Brian Burns   59.1

 

Because when a unit is bad every player on the unit should have the same low score?

Not how that works.

Speaking of Burns what is his pass rush grade? What is his run grade? Is it possible he is doing well against the pass and not the run? 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

What do you see when you watch the games. 

Does Sam get pressure?  Sure. 
Is our line the best?  Certainly not. 
Is it worse than the Jets line?  Are you kidding?

One thing that is always overlooked is how much the QB is a factor in how the line looks. Darnold is getting through his reads quickly and being decisive. Wilson is not. Fields is the same. If you go watch Kurt Warner's breakdown of Fields vs the Browns you will see that at least half the sacks he took were avoidable if he took the throw that was available before the sack.

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