Keep Fitterer and Morgan

[Panthercougar68]

1 minute ago, SizzleBuzz said:

 

I've been trying to rationalize how/why E.B. gets passed over every year and after so many times the only thing I can come up with is there's something out there lurking in his past that would put him at risk of being cancelled akin to what happened with Gruden.

 

Ben Allbright has hinted multiple times that Eric's stint at Colorado left A LOT of skeletons in the closet and if those come out you're gonna have another Gruden.

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Ben Allbright has hinted multiple times that Eric's stint at Colorado left A LOT of skeletons in the closet and if those come out you're gonna have another Gruden.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/1/6/18169793/bengals-coach-search-chiefs-eric-bieniemy-vance-joseph-broncos

Over the course of his collegiate career, Bieniemy’s driving record was docked several times in Colorado for a multitude of minor occurrences, but they piled up to the point where he had his license suspended for a year. Months later in March, he was caught speeding in the state and was forced to post a $1,000 bond. He failed to appear for his court date for driving with a suspended license and then was faced with several weeks in jail for leaving the scene of an accident just weeks later.

Bieniemy’s pro career was mostly clean from incident, but he was banned from Colorado’s campus for a year after harassing and assaulting a parking attendant working during a Colorado football game in 1993. His time coaching at Colorado upon his retirement from the NFL brought more trouble.

 

In 2001, Bieniemy was hired as Colorado’s running backs coach, but was arrested in April of that year for a DUI. As a known legend in the program, Bieniemy was also a major figure in the recruiting process. During his two years there, several rape allegations were pressed against Colorado players, and Bieniemy’s time there ended while the school was under investigation.

 

This stuff really isn't hard to just do a quick look www.google.com

 

[Panthercougar68]

Just now, Fox007 said:

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/1/6/18169793/bengals-coach-search-chiefs-eric-bieniemy-vance-joseph-broncos

Over the course of his collegiate career, Bieniemy’s driving record was docked several times in Colorado for a multitude of minor occurrences, but they piled up to the point where he had his license suspended for a year. Months later in March, he was caught speeding in the state and was forced to post a $1,000 bond. He failed to appear for his court date for driving with a suspended license and then was faced with several weeks in jail for leaving the scene of an accident just weeks later.

Bieniemy’s pro career was mostly clean from incident, but he was banned from Colorado’s campus for a year after harassing and assaulting a parking attendant working during a Colorado football game in 1993. His time coaching at Colorado upon his retirement from the NFL brought more trouble.

 

In 2001, Bieniemy was hired as Colorado’s running backs coach, but was arrested in April of that year for a DUI. As a known legend in the program, Bieniemy was also a major figure in the recruiting process. During his two years there, several rape allegations were pressed against Colorado players, and Bieniemy’s time there ended while the school was under investigation.

 

This stuff really isn't hard to just do a quick look www.google.com

 

Yeah but he's talking about stuff that won't surface on a google search...and Ben in pretty connected and in the know for anything in the state of Colorado.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Panthercougar68

[Mr. Scot]

Something else that's kind of important to remember on this front...

Even in traditional team power structures, roster building functions like this: the  GM is the guy that shops for the groceries, but the head coach is the one who writes the recipe and prepares the meal.

Head coaches and their assistants set the systems in which the players function. Then they tell the GM what kind of players they need to run those systems and the GM goes out and gets them.

Prime Example: What did Matt Rhule want in offensive linemen? Versatility. He wanted a bunch of guys that could play any position rather than guys who were really good in one spot (basically jack of all trades, master of none). And that's what we went out and got.

But the sad truth is, that's a lousy way to build an offensive line. It's a great profile for backups, but your starters should be built for the one position they play

Still, it's what the head coach wanted. And no GM in the league is going to try and force the head coach to take players who don't fit his system unless they want a power struggle (not a wise thing to initiate when you don't have final say).

So here we are...

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Yeah but he's talking about stuff that won't surface on a google search...

Sure but my point is about "why has he been passed over" 

So just do a quick look...if you see a big smoke already...what you think the fire looks like?

I wasn't dissing you

Believe it or not but coordinators aren't the face ofa  team and are much further back in terms of this type of poo. All it'd take is a reporter or a person or a X to come out after he gets a HC job as Twitter is want to do and boom...

Edited November 29, 2021 by Fox007

[NAS]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Something else that's kind of important to remember on this front...

Even in traditional team power structures, roster building functions like this: the  GM is the guy that shops for the groceries, but the head coach is the one who writes the recipe and prepares the meal.

Head coaches and their assistants set the systems in which the players function. Then they tell the GM what kind of players they need to run those systems and the GM goes out and gets them.

Prime Example: What did Matt Rhule want in offensive linemen? Versatility. He wanted a bunch of guys that could play any position rather than guys who were really good in one spot (basically jack of all trades, master of none). And that's what we went out and got.

But the sad truth is, that's a lousy way to build an offensive line. It's a great profile for backups, but your starters should be built for the one position they play

Still, it's what the head coach wanted. And no GM in the league is going to try and force the head coach to take players who don't fit his system unless they want a power struggle (not a wise thing to initiate when you don't have final say).

So here we are...

Especially when the Head Coach was give final control of the roster. Fitt did his job 

[SizzleBuzz]

2 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2019/1/6/18169793/bengals-coach-search-chiefs-eric-bieniemy-vance-joseph-broncos

Over the course of his collegiate career, Bieniemy’s driving record was docked several times in Colorado for a multitude of minor occurrences, but they piled up to the point where he had his license suspended for a year. Months later in March, he was caught speeding in the state and was forced to post a $1,000 bond. He failed to appear for his court date for driving with a suspended license and then was faced with several weeks in jail for leaving the scene of an accident just weeks later.

Bieniemy’s pro career was mostly clean from incident, but he was banned from Colorado’s campus for a year after harassing and assaulting a parking attendant working during a Colorado football game in 1993. His time coaching at Colorado upon his retirement from the NFL brought more trouble.

 

In 2001, Bieniemy was hired as Colorado’s running backs coach, but was arrested in April of that year for a DUI. As a known legend in the program, Bieniemy was also a major figure in the recruiting process. During his two years there, several rape allegations were pressed against Colorado players, and Bieniemy’s time there ended while the school was under investigation.

 

This stuff really isn't hard to just do a quick look www.google.com

 

Old news.

Would have to be something more, something that's currently unknown by the general public.

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Old news.

Would have to be something more, something that's currently unknown by the general public.

ofc that's old news

Something "new" would be old news too duh

[Panthercougar68]

4 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Sure but my point is about "why has he been passed over" 

So just do a quick look...if you see a big smoke already...what you think the fire looks like?

I wasn't dissing you

Believe it or not but coordinators aren't the face ofa  team and are much further back in terms of this type of poo. All it'd take is a reporter or a person or a X to come out after he gets a HC job as Twitter is want to do and boom...

yeah I took your reply wrong.

[KSpan]

11 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Old news.

Would have to be something more, something that's currently unknown by the general public.

I daresay the general pubic is not aware of this. I live in KC and most folks here aren't aware of it, so the attention he would draw as an HC would absolutely bring it to light on a broad scale. The local backlash on Britt Reid, particularly once his history came to light, was not insignificant.

Edited November 29, 2021 by KSpan

[Toomers]

13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

It's not a $19M wash.  He's not getting cut.  He's at least going to be a backup and I get you are throwing low-end numbers out there for backups with his experience to emphasize your point.  Yes, we will lose money on the transaction for one season.  What teams doesn't have an overpaid player?  This team has a history of deals that hampers it for years down the road.  Matt Kahlil is one of many, many, many instances that's comes to mind.  Darnold's option is not going to burden this franchise for the long term and it was worth the risk.

Again, I take MUCH more issue with the Anderson deal and trading for Henderson.

Mitch Trubisky- 2.5M with better resume over 4 years. 
 

Marcus Mariota-3.5M 

 

And Kalil cost 25M(over 4 years)for one subpar season. Sam costs 23.6M for subpar half a season and a glimmer that he won’t have to play as a backup. What’s the difference? How does one hurt less? 

[onmyown]

You guys really don’t understand Fitt’s job under Rhule, it’s pretty basic. Contract structure/amount, and probably a (very) little input on the draft and FA.

That is it. Blaming him for giving Darnold his 5th for example is a Rhule move not a Fitt move, as is resigning Robby.

However, giving Robby too much is a Fitt move.

The draft fiasco was Rhule, not Fit. Fit probably had a little input but Rhule laid out the guys he wanted and it was Fit’s job to make it happen. That is painfully obvious watching the war room during the draft.

And there lies the problem. The GM/HC dynamic in the Carolinas will not work. Rhule has way too much control for things he does not know about because that is what he wanted when he came into the league if anyone remembers.

I’m indifferent on Fitt. If he stays around, the dynamic needs to change. Fitt needs to have more of an all encompassing GM job if they truly believe in him or a real GM needs to be brought it.

Rhule absolutely needs to go.

[Fox007]

sorry guys i been an ass in this thread just wanted to say that

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Mitch Trubisky- 2.5M with better resume over 4 years. 
 

Marcus Mariota-3.5M 

 

And Kalil cost 25M(over 4 years)for one subpar season. Sam costs 23.6M for subpar half a season and a glimmer that he won’t have to play as a backup. What’s the difference? How does one hurt less? 

He's overpaid for only one season.  This season is what it is.  Even if he went on IR day 1 with a ruptutred ACL, his salary for this year is what it is.  I agree, he's overpaid next year as a backup, but it's only one year and he'll carry no dead cap unless he's actually cut.  We carried so much dead cap and had so many bloated contracts in the past that Darnold's 5th-year, while expensive, is by no means going to hurt the team long term.  I'll say int one more time, it was a short-trem calculated risk.  Hind sight is 202/20 and had he actually continued to play decent like his first few games, it would have been worth it.

It's like Cam's deal.  If he came off the couch and actually got this team winning, that would have been worth the money.  Right now he's 0-2 as the starter.  His base contract comes out to just under $1M/game for the 7 games he has/will start.  Darnold's 5th-year option next year would be a little over $1M per game if he were the starter every game.  Difference?