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After today, everyone should understand you need a QB

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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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5 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

This is what I can't figure out.

If his goal is to win now, he signs a vet QB, and drafts a LT or some non-QB who he thinks can help win now.  Maybe even one of the DEs.  Maybe trade down.

If he drafts a rookie QB and shows some growth that might buy some time like you said, but that can be really risky.

It almost feels like a QB call would have to come from Tepper, but I could totally be wrong.

 

 

He's just too arrogant. He really thought this was gonna be easy. He probably still thinks that. Teddy and Darnold failed because of Joe Brady and their own shortcomings. Rhule just hasn't found the right people to properly execute his flawless vision.

He's an idiot.

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5 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

This as Rhule is still leading this team next year.  Lol!!!!!🤣

Pretty much.

Do you need a good / great / franchise / whatever quarterback? Yeah.

But does picking a potential one of those automatically make you a great team?

No.

If you believe it does, lemme introduce you to the 2021 Chicago Bears.

(and that's just one example among many)

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13 minutes ago, Icege said:

No thanks.

We already lived through having a franchise QB without an OL and/or defense. 

What does this mean?

do people who say stuff like this really not realize how small it makes their perspective look?

there is a world and an offseason and offseasons beyond just what the panthers do with this one singular pick 

with this pick however, you have to abide by the mechanics and realities of the draft and how the league operates

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tht strategy works best when Jon Gruden is your head coach.

Also assumes you have a high pick every year, which means you suck.

The alternative though is taking a guy and actually trying to coach and develop him rather than just hoping he was already a finished product when you drafted him.

Let's keep this in mind. When we got Darnold, this staff said they were going to treat him like a rookie. In that regard, we already have an idea on training and development for anyone we might draft and it doesn't look good in the slightest. Trying to get a new QB now would feel like a waste because we're not good enough to make them better.

Or even provide them some modicum of protection.

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Us picking a qb at 6 reeks of the Giants drafting Daniel Jones in 2019, right down to the pick number. There were no obvious franchise qbs at that point, but the Giants were desperate after not drafting one at pick 2 the year before. Keep in mind the next 3 qbs drafted were Jones, Haskins and Drew Lock. The qbs this year are getting similar evaluations as that crop. 

Everyone knows how important a qb is. But unless you want to be the Jets picking a new qb every 3 years with a top 5 pick, you don't reach for one out of desperation. We are looking at an opportunity to pick an elite offensive line prospect at 6, which beautifully overlaps massive need with BPA. Don't overthink it. Let 2022 be a down year, set yourself up for the franchise qb in 2023 (or use that high draft pick to trade for Russell Wilson perhaps if you don't love the 2023 QBs). 

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12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

Do you need a good / great / franchise / whatever quarterback? Yeah.

But does picking a potential one of those automatically make you a great team?

No.

If you believe it does, lemme introduce you to the 2021 Chicago Bears.

(and that's just one example among many)

David Carr (former #1 draft pick and Carolina Panther) says hi.

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2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

You need both. A great QB won't play great with pressure in his face all day. An average QB will play better when he has all day to throw. But there is also cap to consider. Great QB is 40-50m a year. There's going to be some balancing or you won't be able to afford an average line.

Burrow got sacked 51 times this year. 

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If you think you found that guy in the draft and he's there, you grab him.  Problem is I don't trust that our current staff would identify that correctly and could reach for the wrong one and we're stuck with a Daniel Jones-type situation.

The greater question to ask is what type of QB worth passing on? A high ceiling type but not mobile (Stafford/Ryan type), like Strong (who I love) would get pummeled into Darnold/Carr mode.  You need a line for that type of guy.

This draft...Corral, Willis, & Ridder could be in the cards.  Corral is the one that COULD be special IMO.  His arm with that athleticism is damn enticing.  But then you immediately have to make the line the priority before skill players to support the dude. 

As things stand now, Stroud and Young look special out of the gate in 2023.   Same would apply for them if our line for some reason still sucks next year.  Not liking much else with that class at all (Rattler and McCall? ehh) so if we're not complete crap next year, they will require a trade up. Also consider there is a ton of QB openings on the horizon with retirements and busts (WAS, NO, TB, PIT, NYG, GB, ATL, DEN, DET, uncertainty with MIN & LVR).  Teams are going to be gunning.

I'm not hopeful we navigate this correctly with the current crew. 

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3 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

David Carr (former #1 draft pick and Carolina Panther) says hi.

Yep. And Carr's a great example of how a poor team can destroy whatever potential your young quarterback might have had.

Picking a franchise quarterback isn't gonna turn a bad organization into a good one.

Heck, I'd argue that a good organization is more likely to be able to recognize a true franchise quarterback than a bad one.

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3 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

Us picking a qb at 6 reeks of the Giants drafting Daniel Jones in 2019, right down to the pick number. There were no obvious franchise qbs at that point, but the Giants were desperate after not drafting one at pick 2 the year before. Keep in mind the next 3 qbs drafted were Jones, Haskins and Drew Lock. The qbs this year are getting similar evaluations as that crop. 

Everyone knows how important a qb is. But unless you want to be the Jets picking a new qb every 3 years with a top 5 pick, you don't reach for one out of desperation. We are looking at an opportunity to pick an elite offensive line prospect at 6, which beautifully overlaps massive need with BPA. Don't overthink it. Let 2022 be a down year, set yourself up for the franchise qb in 2023 (or use that high draft pick to trade for Russell Wilson perhaps if you don't love the 2023 QBs). 

Don't worry. We're probably going to do a 2019 approach... i.e. drafting a Will Grier in the 3rd. This brain trust just won't adequately invest at the QB position then act shocked that our QB play sucks.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Yep.

Picking a franchise quarterback isn't gonna turn a bad organization into a good one.

Heck, I'd argue that a good organization is more likely to be able to recognize a true franchise quarterback than a bad one.

Yeah, but you've also got to keep in mind Rhule's track record when it comes to picking QBs... oh wait...

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