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4 minutes ago, Dory said:

25.5 sacks in 3 seasons .. that's 8.5 sacks per season on average. He is nearly averaging 10 sacks per year - he hasn't even played his age 24 season yet.

I saw Brian Burn at the Mercedes dealership , I nodded my head like wassup.. he nodded back.  

 

Then I made a fist and pounded my heart and grunted.. then he looked at me like WTF is wrong with you.

 

We totally shared a moment, we're like basically boys now.

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5 minutes ago, Mayor Qumiby said:

I saw Brian Burn at the Mercedes dealership , I nodded my head like wassup.. he nodded back.  

 

Then I made a fist and pounded my heart and grunted.. then he looked at me like WTF is wrong with you.

 

We totally shared a moment, we're like basically boys now.

Should have done this:

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5 hours ago, Mayor Qumiby said:

I saw Brian Burn at the Mercedes dealership , I nodded my head like wassup.. he nodded back.  

 

Then I made a fist and pounded my heart and grunted.. then he looked at me like WTF is wrong with you.

 

We totally shared a moment, we're like basically boys now.

He wasn’t riding around on a scooter shirtless in your apartment complex like Jaycee Horn?

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's a really good, disruptive speed edge rusher. Really good pursuing the run when it's away from him. He's a liability when you run the ball at him. In short, he's just like every NFL player outside of a small handful of the very elite in that he has clear strengths and weaknesses.

 

I wish I could get in there and argue against this and say, "Naw man, Burns is a beast -- best in the league." He's good, really good, but he hasn't had that great "take the league by storm" season we've all been waiting for. What he is, however, is a darn good edge player who doesn't just specialize in sacks and disrupting the passing game. A bit underweight still, he is a remarkably stout run defender and he is an active, vital part of what little run defense we've sported.

A guy that can get nine sacks a season and about the same number of TFLs, plus 50+ tackles a season gets a career like Mike Rucker and the well-deserved praise that goes along with it. Ain't a thing in the world wrong with that. Not everyone can be Julius Peppers.

Still, I think he has another gear to hit. Maybe this will be the year and it will still be with us.

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12 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I wish I could get in there and argue against this and say, "Naw man, Burns is a beast -- best in the league." He's good, really good, but he hasn't had that great "take the league by storm" season we've all been waiting for. What he is, however, is a darn good edge player who doesn't just specialize in sacks and disrupting the passing game. A bit underweight still, he is a remarkably stout run defender and he is an active, vital part of what little run defense we've sported.

A guy that can get nine sacks a season and about the same number of TFLs, plus 50+ tackles a season gets a career like Mike Rucker and the well-deserved praise that goes along with it. Ain't a thing in the world wrong with that. Not everyone can be Julius Peppers.

Still, I think he has another gear to hit. Maybe this will be the year and it will still be with us.

I can't agree on the "remarkably stout run defender" part.  When you run power concepts right at home he struggles to set the edge. Speed or zone concepts he's much better at defending primarily because he seems to always be looking to make the tackle himself. Sometimes as a lineman against the run you have to sacrifice and eat up that blocked and rely on the guys behind you to make the play because if you don't then that lineman is going to get downfield and that's when you get gashed.

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17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I can't agree on the "remarkably stout run defender" part.  When you run power concepts right at home he struggles to set the edge. Speed or zone concepts he's much better at defending primarily because he seems to always be looking to make the tackle himself. Sometimes as a lineman against the run you have to sacrifice and eat up that blocked and rely on the guys behind you to make the play because if you don't then that lineman is going to get downfield and that's when you get gashed.

  If he were even an average run defender he would be worth a long term deal right now. That’s partially because of poor fit/coaching. But it’s not going to change much at his size. He needs to be a 3-4 OLB full time. And a decision is going to have to be made this off-season. His 5th year is already 16M. I think if he makes the Pro Bowl again it goes up to 20M. Plus, you don’t know what type of DEF you are even going to run with the coaching mess. Which happened after he was drafted. 

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28 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  If he were even an average run defender he would be worth a long term deal right now. That’s partially because of poor fit/coaching. But it’s not going to change much at his size. He needs to be a 3-4 OLB full time. And a decision is going to have to be made this off-season. His 5th year is already 16M. I think if he makes the Pro Bowl again it goes up to 20M. Plus, you don’t know what type of DEF you are even going to run with the coaching mess. Which happened after he was drafted. 

I don't think it's a size thing as much as it's a mentality thing. Stopping the run in football is a lot like rebounding in basketball. Sure, there's absolutely technique involved, but it's a lot of will and want to as well. Burns is a finesses edge rusher. That's just who he is. Jason Taylor had a more slender build than Burns but he could still set the edge vs. the run. Burns CAN too. He just has to want to. He's gotta play with the same vigor when he's setting the edge as when he's getting after the QB or pursuing the run. In short, he's great as a pursuit run defender but he's poor as an edge setter and I think it has more to do with mentality than physical tools.

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