Pro bowl guard cut

[Daddy_Uncle]

Why would any good FA want to come here? We don't need to pay guys more than they are worth

[Michael G]

It is true that we are kind of a mess and have been for awhile. For most guys we will not be option #1. But we are an option and most guys will listen to our offers. If the player has some sort of connection here (a coach, or a player they have ties with) then we have a shot. That or we offer them above their expected pay grade.

[Riverboat Ron]

I’d much rather keep ignoring the offensive line and use pick #6 on a CB.

[ForJimmy]

Teams that have the best shot at a Super Bowl usually have no cap room. So the options are usually take a minimum contract for a chance to win a championship or get paid a decent contract with a clear shot at playing time and chance to make more money…

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

You're in your mid twenties.  You are offered millions of dollars to play a game you love in a fun city with thousands of beautiful southern women running around. 

You are about 3 hours from the beach. Taxes are reasonable.  The weather is nice 10 months out of the year.  The facilities are nice.

His teammates are important.  Does he already know guys on the team?  Anyone he played with in HS or college?  

Maybe he's from NC.  Maybe he played for a NC or SC school.  Maybe he has family here.

If he's got some pride - maybe he sees this as a challenge.  He wants to make a difference.

The coach may not be around past next year, but the next guy could be better. He's had multiple coaches in HS, college, NFL.  What's one more? The possibility the coach is a lame duck is probably 10th on his consideration list. 

That argument is a complete joke.  The only people that will not consider us are the ring-chasers.  Hopefully we're not interested in those guys anyway.

Funny that the coaches, who should technically be older and wiser, didn't see it your way.

Your argument really only works for players that don't have better opportunities somewhere else. And if they're at least half decent, chances are they will.

Will there be players that will sign here just for the money? Probably. Will they be all that good? Maybe, maybe not.

If they're at least decent, we might have to overpay and use up more cap room to keep them from going somewhere else.

That's not good team building.

[Smittymoose]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Funny that the coaches, who should technically be older and wiser, didn't see it your way.

Your argument really only works for players that don't have better opportunities somewhere else. And if they're at least half decent, chances are they will.

Will there be players that will sign here just for the money? Probably. Will they be all that good? Maybe, maybe not.

If they're at least decent, we might have to overpay and use up more cap room to keep them from going somewhere else.

That's not good team building.

What you're failing to understand or acknowledge is that most NFL FA deals are short-term deals with little guaranteed money. Making the roster is what counts to actually collect on your contract. Carolina will have an open competitions at 4/5 OL positions as it stands now. Those players are not going to give a poo about "stability" if they're only on a one or two year deal. 

Edited March 10, 2022 by Smittymoose

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Smittymoose said:

What you're failing to understand or acknowledge is that most NFL FA deals are short-term deals with little guaranteed money. Making the roster is what counts to actually collect on your contract. Carolina will have an open competitions at 4/5 OL positions as it stands now. Those players are not going to give a poo about "stability" if they're only on a one or two year deal. 

There are some players who won't, but believe it or not every NFL player is not necessarily Rod Tidwell.

[SmokinwithWilly]

What cap space are we going to have if we are seriously making a push for Watson? We will have almost 70m tied up this year in QB contracts. 

[grimesgoat]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Funny that the coaches, who should technically be older and wiser, didn't see it your way.

Your argument really only works for players that don't have better opportunities somewhere else. And if they're at least half decent, chances are they will.

Will there be players that will sign here just for the money? Probably. Will they be all that good? Maybe, maybe not.

If they're at least decent, we might have to overpay and use up more cap room to keep them from going somewhere else.

That's not good team building.

No gaslighting.  No one said anything about coaches.  We're talking about free agent players.

I think the key ingredients most of these 20-somethings are thinking about are money, opportunity to play, girls, friends/family/teammate relationships, fun things to do in town.

A coach being around more than a year is not on the radar.  And if the kid is good, he may think he can make a difference in how that coach's future plays out anyway.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

No gaslighting.  No one said anything about coaches.  We're talking about free agent players.

I think the key ingredients most of these 20-somethings are thinking about are money, opportunity to play, girls, friends/family/teammate relationships, fun things to do in town.

A coach being around more than a year is not on the radar.  And if the kid is good, he may think he can make a difference in how that coach's future plays out anyway.

Coach being a lame duck can be a risk because the next coach might not want you like this one did.

Will we be able to sign free agents? Sure. We might have to overpay for them though.

Will we be able to sign really good free agents? Eeehhh, maybe. You'd have to overpay even more for that though.

Attractive destinations often get players for less. Unattractive ones have to pay more, and as a consequence use up more of their salary cap.

Bottom line: While there are certainly players who will come here for one reason or another, we are not an attractive destination. And that makes the process of ruster building harder.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

I just don't see why vets like this would play for the Panthers unless their skills have deteriorated enough that the Panthers are one of the few teams bad enough where they'd get a starting job. A guy like this can probably get more money on a better team.

Because we can and would likely overpay and some guys value money over wins. IE: the 2 duds we signed last year at the start of free agency. 

[Panther'sBigD]

18 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

No gaslighting.  No one said anything about coaches.  We're talking about free agent players.

I think the key ingredients most of these 20-somethings are thinking about are money, opportunity to play, girls, friends/family/teammate relationships, fun things to do in town.

A coach being around more than a year is not on the radar.  And if the kid is good, he may think he can make a difference in how that coach's future plays out anyway.

Agreed. The two aren't really comparable. These coaches/assistants making lateral moves are making low six figures if that in many cases, and build their resumes based on the coaching tree they fall under. Meanwhile it doesn't matter nearly as much what coach a player plays for, and any decent FA is making millions per season. 

[BullCityP]

For all of the people saying "why would anyone want to come here" ya'll do realize it's only 64 starting OG jobs available in the ENTIRE league?? With all the guards already in the league plus the draft coming the choices aren't as vast as they may seem. Unless you're a big money guy hitting free agency you don't get to pick and choose your destination to your liking if you want to play!!

[hepcat]

9 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Because we can and would likely overpay and some guys value money over wins. IE: the 2 duds we signed last year at the start of free agency. 

point taken, could be the case for some over the hill or overrated veterans with name brand recognition