Albert Breer: Baker Mayfield would be redundant to Sam Darnold and the Browns are pushing more for a trade than the Panthers are

[SOJA]

Browns have literally zero leverage with Baker. zero. He's coming off a pretty major injury and a pretty terrible year. They obviously don't need him on the team and he's clearly unhappy. His contract stinks. 

 

Why would anyone trade for him?

 

The only way someone trades for him is if Cleveland agrees to eat his whole salary and it's for minimal draft compensation. Otherwise just wait till they're forced to cut him. 

[musicman]

I would take a trade straight up, solves both teams problems for at least this year. NO picks. The money is the same. It still won't stop the Panthers for drafting a QB if the top 3 tackles are gone or dropping back and picking up Coral or Howell later on.

[NCTHFL0567]

9 hours ago, poundaway said:

Mayfield looked like total ass last year.  Is he better than Darnold?   Sure.  Is it a lot?  LOL No.

Put him on the jets or our panthers and you'd see similar numbers.  He was on a much better team last year and his stats were awfully similar to Darnold. 

We will not win anymore games with Baker under center than Sam.

Baker sucks.

Mans had 17 TD's and 13 picks last year. Darnold had 9 TD's and 13 picks. To say he's not better than him by a lot is kind of funny. 

[NCTHFL0567]

10 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Who knows. 

It's much easier to play QB when you're running for 150 yards per game. 

Darnold will throw pick after pick in a heart beat. So no. I don't think he would. 

[top dawg]

9 hours ago, CRA said:

That’s only because Sam has missed games though.   Sam throws picks at a higher rate with less TDs.  

Baker has almost 40 more passing TDs. 

Baker has been in a markedly better position. Let's not forget that tidbit. Other than changing coordinators, like Darnold, Baker's situation has been superior in every way. 

I'll take Baker over Sam for sure, but only if we don't give anything of consequence. Otherwise, this FO, Fitterer included, will appear like braindead zombies.

 

[Waldo]

Same difference. It wouldn't really change much for us. Trading for him when the Browns have to get rid of him is peak dumbass.

Just sign the new meat off the open market for cheap, none of it will be the difference maker for these turds anyways.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Baker has been in a markedly better position. Let's not forget that tidbit. Other than changing coordinators, like Darnold, Baker's situation has been superior in every way. 

I'll take Baker over Sam for sure, but only if we don't give anything of consequence. Otherwise, this FO, Fitterer included, will appear like braindead zombies.

 

he has been in a better situation.   But bad situations aren't uncommon in the NFL.  How good or bad your QB is has a lot to do with how your situation ultimately looks in the end too.  Coaches have their stock go up and down because of the QB as well. 

but I wouldn't call Baker's rookie season an ideal scenario.  He is just a more taletned QB than Sam Darnold by a margin it isn't really worth comparing them as players.  And Baker still isn't good. 

[Tr3ach]

12 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Panthers are still deluded about reality if they think Baker Mayfield is redundant to Sam Darnold. Mayfield probably isn't the answer but he's way better than Sam Darnold. And he's better than the current version of Jimmy G too. He's just a spoiled brat.

 

I agree.  Even in terms of skillset they arent even the same.  I dont get the redundant thing unless they are maybe saying record wise but even then I think we probably win one or two more games with Mayfield. 

[MHS831]

Perhaps the only reason I would be happy to see the Panthers trade for Jimmy G or Baker M is that it would indicate that we are getting a stud LT (probably Cross) or a stud Edge (probably Thibodeaux) or that we hope to trade back.

I think that is the first step regardless of what we do.

The Panthers, however, are considering trading back.  Bringing in Howell,  and that G from Chatanooga--both early day 2 picks.  If we trade back and take Howell, there are likely no tackles left, so a top G in late round 2 or early 3 could be the play, moving Brady C to LT.

That reeks of bust on three levels--but I share what THEY might be thinking, not what I want.  Every now and then someone rips me for doing that, insisting that what I think they will do is synonymous with what I want--Nope.

Edited April 19, 2022 by MHS831

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Perhaps the only reason I would be happy to see the Panthers trade for Jimmy G or Baker M is that it would indicate that we are getting a stud LT (probably Cross) or a stud Edge (probably Thibodeaux) or that we hope to trade back.

I think that is the first step regardless of what we do.

The Panthers, however, are considering trading back.  Bringing in Howell,  and that G from Chatanooga--both early day 2 picks.  If we trade back and take Howell, there are likely no tackles left, so a top G in late round 2 or early 3 could be the play, moving Brady C to LT.

That reeks of bust on three levels--but I share what THEY might be thinking, not what I want.  Every now and then someone rips me for doing that, insisting that what I think they will do is synonymous with what I want--Nope.

true.  I mean, in a sane org that move would signal an OT at #6. 

But this is a Matt Rhule lead team.   He spent his top 10 pick last season on a CB.   And while Horn is a fine player.....we also went out and signed the 2nd best DB in all the NFL and a top 10 draft pick from the year prior right after it.   We had too many other glaring needs to use that top pick on a CB last season but Rhule is going to Rhule. 

[jb2288]

9 hours ago, austin1227 said:

Lol borderline playoff team you're funny

Truth hurts 

[NCTHFL0567]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Baker has been in a markedly better position. Let's not forget that tidbit. Other than changing coordinators, like Darnold, Baker's situation has been superior in every way. 

I'll take Baker over Sam for sure, but only if we don't give anything of consequence. Otherwise, this FO, Fitterer included, will appear like braindead zombies.

 

Baker has also had like 4 different OC's. Do we just ignore that? That can hinder a QB in a heartbeat. 

[Shotgun]

2 minutes ago, NCTHFL0567 said:

Baker has also had like 4 different OC's. Do we just ignore that? That can hinder a QB in a heartbeat. 

True, he does get a lot of coaches fired.

[NCTHFL0567]

3 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

True, he does get a lot of coaches fired.

Yeah, that was it. 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033098-browns-being-investigated-by-nfl-over-hue-jacksons-tanking-allegations

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-investigating-cleveland-browns-after-hue-jacksons-tanking-allegations-010903929.html

Oh wait, no it's not. 

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by NCTHFL0567