A quote I'm happy to hear

[Tbe]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's worked for the Seahawks.

Honestly, either approach can work. What really matters is that you pick the right players.

It worked once. One magic draft. Their drafting has been mostly terrible since.

[MillionDollarCam]

36 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

If it means we are no longer a 4 year development team for players we draft then I am all for it. 

I mean if you draft well enough you are bound to develop a few for other teams… the important thing is that you are good enough drafting team that you can just replace those players with another draft pick.

Fitterer did that with the Seahawks for multiple years.

The notion that guys don’t want to play in Carolina is also BS. These are grown adults not children. They won’t to get paid and provide their families. It doesn’t matter if it’s in Charlotte or Vegas.

The important thing is to have a GM that is a good drafter and he knows how to manage the cap. It appears that Fitterer knows how to do both.

[Tbe]

This is dumb and I hope he doesn’t really believe it.

Drafting is a crap shoot. It’s been studied and proven. 

Developing players sounds great, but the cba reduced practices means that is very very hard unless the player really wants it and works on his own. 

Players can’t really develop without actual game time, and no one really wants to send raw players out there with the game on the line unless they have to (see Rivera and Bradberry).

It’s very hard for a player to get better when they haven’t played a real snap in 2,3, however many years.

[MillionDollarCam]

5 minutes ago, Tbe said:

It worked once. One magic draft. Their drafting has been mostly terrible since.

Statistically, the Seahawks have been the best drafting team since 2010…

[DamnItJake!]

1 hour ago, panfanman said:

They can say that all they want.  The jury is still out on the development part.

Build it and they will come!! Patience young grasshopper!!

[Tbe]

7 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Statistically, the Seahawks have been the best drafting team since 2010…

If you take out 2012 what is it?

Also, those stats are kinda BS since hitting on QB will greatly skew things.

From foootballoutsiders:

So clearly, the Seahawks are just vastly more skilled than other teams at drafting over the last ten years, right? As much as I would like to believe that, there is a reason the p-value is only a little under 0.05 when you don't attempt to neutralize unusual outliers. The fact that the p-value drops so much when those outliers are neutralized likely means that those outliers have a lot of luck in them. But even then, how could the Seahawks get the top two drafts of the decade, back-to-back, without that being evidence of incredible skill in drafting (rather than just good skill and a heavy dose of luck)?

Well, when you have a skewed distribution, there is usually a reason why, and that reason is right in front of us. When we use CarAV as our measurement of value, it inherently means that the best players have more upside than the worst players have downside. If you get a Russell Wilson or a Tom Brady, their value is massive due to positional value, longevity, lower risk of injury (especially in the modern NFL), etc. But if you draft a JaMarcus Russell, there is only so much damage he can do. If the Raiders had been forced to start Russell for every game for a decade, then he might be a Tom Brady-level outlier. Instead, he gets benched and the damage is limited to just wasting a draft pick and having a bad season or two.

What this all tells me is that drafting well is a lot of luck, mixed with some skill and an extra layer of a random "jackpot" on top (the one or two later-round picks each draft that become unexpected Hall of Famers). This would explain the data we see (including the outliers) pretty well. The Seahawks are probably pretty good at drafting, but also had some crazy luck in hitting three jackpots in a row (Wilson, Wagner, and Richard Sherman). What this should tell NFL teams is that you need to roll the dice as many times as you can (trading down for additional value whenever possible), get the best GM you can possibly find, and get the top coaches in the league to develop the talent you draft 

[MillionDollarCam]

5 minutes ago, Tbe said:

If you take out 2012 what is it?

Also, those stats are kinda BS since hitting on QB will greatly skew things.

From foootballoutsiders:

So clearly, the Seahawks are just vastly more skilled than other teams at drafting over the last ten years, right? As much as I would like to believe that, there is a reason the p-value is only a little under 0.05 when you don't attempt to neutralize unusual outliers. The fact that the p-value drops so much when those outliers are neutralized likely means that those outliers have a lot of luck in them. But even then, how could the Seahawks get the top two drafts of the decade, back-to-back, without that being evidence of incredible skill in drafting (rather than just good skill and a heavy dose of luck)?

Well, when you have a skewed distribution, there is usually a reason why, and that reason is right in front of us. When we use CarAV as our measurement of value, it inherently means that the best players have more upside than the worst players have downside. If you get a Russell Wilson or a Tom Brady, their value is massive due to positional value, longevity, lower risk of injury (especially in the modern NFL), etc. But if you draft a JaMarcus Russell, there is only so much damage he can do. If the Raiders had been forced to start Russell for every game for a decade, then he might be a Tom Brady-level outlier. Instead, he gets benched and the damage is limited to just wasting a draft pick and having a bad season or two.

What this all tells me is that drafting well is a lot of luck, mixed with some skill and an extra layer of a random "jackpot" on top (the one or two later-round picks each draft that become unexpected Hall of Famers). This would explain the data we see (including the outliers) pretty well. The Seahawks are probably pretty good at drafting, but also had some crazy luck in hitting three jackpots in a row (Wilson, Wagner, and Richard Sherman). What this should tell NFL teams is that you need to roll the dice as many times as you can (trading down for additional value whenever possible), get the best GM you can possibly find, and get the top coaches in the league to develop the talent you draft 

Why would you take out 2012, they made those picks. Just because the stats don’t fit an ahead doesn’t mean we can discredit them.

And it might be possible that the Seahawks have a specific formula in place that they use when drafting players. After all, the three teams that are consistently listed as the three best drafting teams (Seahawks, Chiefs, and Packers) are once again topping the value chart for this year… it’s not just some dumb luck. Does luck play a part… sure… the right guys have to be there for your team to draft. But these three teams are too consistent to just right it off as dumb luck.

Another common trait, all three of those teams drafted, developed a franchise QB, and won a Super Bowl that franchise QB.

[kungfoodude]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's worked for the Seahawks.

Honestly, either approach can work. What really matters is that you pick the right players.

It worked at one time. It has failed pretty dramatically in recent years.

I agree that it is all about evaluation but we aren't seeing great evidence of that ability, either. 

[hepcat]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

Like the Patriots? LA?

Lol the PATRIOTS???? They’ve developed hundreds of great players over the last two decades  f*ck off with this retard comment. 

Rams also have solid players they’ve drafted 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

It worked at one time. It has failed pretty dramatically in recent years.

I agree that it is all about evaluation but we aren't seeing great evidence of that ability, either. 

Seattle had a pretty long run up to this point.

As for us, we've only had two drafts under Fitterer so any truly accurate draft grades are still a few years away.

[CarolinaRideorDie]

Are we also developing Rhule too? 

[PantherNation123]

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

That's music to my ears.

Music to your ears that Rhule is developing these kids? Or that this GM will eventually get another HC to develop draft picks?

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, PantherNation123 said:

Music to your ears that Rhule is developing these kids? Or that this GM will eventually get another HC to develop draft picks?

The approach.  The approach transcend coaching changes. 

[bigdog10]

4 hours ago, chknwing said:

Aka "be patient"

Yep. Lol. 
 

Let us not forget it took Jay Z seven years as well.