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Matt Corral could've went in the first round to the Steelers


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10 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

32 teams apparently didn't think he was a 1st rounder. I mean....that literally happened.

Then it happened in another whole round.

So anyone claiming they had a first round grade on Corral, Willis, Howell, etc......they clearly didn't.

Do all 32 teams think they needed a QB in the first 2 rounds of this years draft? How many of them did Need a highly drafted QB?

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8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah. So "some teams are dumb" is your counter?

Listen, I know hope is springing eternal(like it always is after the draft) but we need to be realistic about our 3rd round QB. If we are trying to hype him like he is the next Russell Wilson because he is a 3rd round draft pick....that's not likely to end well.

Don't get me wrong, if there is a franchise that could use a good outlier home run, it's ours. But if you start pinning your hopes on outliers.....well.....that doesn't usually end well. 

 

 

No, my 'counter' is that NOT all teams need a QB and given that everyone knows we are a QB needy team and had NO mid round picks, they probably thought they could get a QB in the 3rd round and get higher graded players in other positions, this draft was deep, consensus was always that this was a weak QB class but everything else was deep and rich. LT, DE, WR, etc. You saw where they went, the 3rd round, why waste a 1st round pick on a QB that's going to be there in the 3rd round. Media hyped up the QB's too much and also not every team that needed a QB was a desperate as us. 

 

The NFL is all about situation. taking a flier on Corral for a future 3rd rounder is much better than what they did with Sam. 

 

Look at the situation as well. This pick screams Ben McAdoo, he's gonna install something that Corral will excel at. This is why I feel you're being more pessimistic than realistic because if you were being realistic you'd see that. Corral wouldn't be here if there wasn't a plan in place and they didn't' think he'd be able to run the offense they're going to execute. 

 

Believe me I don't care for Rhule but the moves that have been made in the off season have me a little more hopeful. The odds are against them but they are at least giving themselves a chance to do things the right way and progress for a change. Time will tell though. 

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36 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

Do all 32 teams think they needed a QB in the first 2 rounds of this years draft? How many of them did Need a highly drafted QB?

So they clearly didn't think these guys were franchise QB's in that case, right? Otherwise you don't let them sit around for three to five rounds.

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26 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

 

 

No, my 'counter' is that NOT all teams need a QB and given that everyone knows we are a QB needy team and had NO mid round picks, they probably thought they could get a QB in the 3rd round and get higher graded players in other positions, this draft was deep, consensus was always that this was a weak QB class but everything else was deep and rich. LT, DE, WR, etc. You saw where they went, the 3rd round, why waste a 1st round pick on a QB that's going to be there in the 3rd round. Media hyped up the QB's too much and also not every team that needed a QB was a desperate as us. 

 

The NFL is all about situation. taking a flier on Corral for a future 3rd rounder is much better than what they did with Sam. 

 

Look at the situation as well. This pick screams Ben McAdoo, he's gonna install something that Corral will excel at. This is why I feel you're being more pessimistic than realistic because if you were being realistic you'd see that. Corral wouldn't be here if there wasn't a plan in place and they didn't' think he'd be able to run the offense they're going to execute. 

 

Believe me I don't care for Rhule but the moves that have been made in the off season have me a little more hopeful. The odds are against them but they are at least giving themselves a chance to do things the right way and progress for a change. Time will tell though. 

Actually this was not regarded as a very deep draft(overall), hence the run on a few positions that had some upper end quality.

Also why I don't believe that many teams, if any, had first round grades on these guys in the 3rd-5th rounds. Mainly because that was what a lot of the scouting/FO quotes basically said. 

I am not bringing that up to throw shade at Corral or really any of these dudes. I am disputing the OP assertion that multiple teams had first round grades on these guys. I am calling BS based on the results we saw.

On paper this offseason appears to be a little better but I am skeptical enough that I need to see the FA's play first before I jump on board. I hope they nailed all of them. Draft included.

 

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, and if you are gambling it's the most wise to take a gamble on a health issue or background guy. IMO, anyway. 

He's still a fairly flawed prospect even aside from the other issues.

Yeah the good news is we drafted what should be our franchise LT, which was a HUGE need (pun intended). We also have some intrigue at the QB position and something for McAdoo to work with for a relatively cheap cost. OL and QB battles will actually have some interest this offseason vs watching journeymen OL get demolished and Sam battle PJ…

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6 hours ago, NAS said:

I wonder how much of this is because 1st round  QBs get more opportunities because they are 1st rounders. If Darnold was drafted in the third round, he would be out of the league already.  Third rounders get one chance to shoot their shot and may not get another chance. That’s why Corral shouldn’t be rushed into starting unless he pulls a Russell Wilson, who came out of nowhere because Seattle had no intentions of starting him that year. Let him develop and ensure he knows the system before you find out if he can be the guy.

I think this is a really good point.

If you have a first rounder, he's the de facto starter.  You have so  much invested in him.  He will get the first team reps and the team will be built around his particular skill set.

The 3rd/4th rounder may not get these benefits unless something dramatic happens.

I believe cream eventually rises to the top, but there is no doubt the first round gets the benefit of the doubt and a longer leash based on what has been invested.

Kurt Warner is a great example.  Undrafted.  Played arena league 3-4 years.  Played a year in Europe.  Finally signed by Rams where he was 3rd string for 1998.

Unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft.

Finally got his chance when their starter got hurt in the preseason in 1999 and he never looked back - having a career worthy of a first rounder.

Point is - very little investment = fewer opportunities.

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not bringing that up to throw shade at Corral or really any of these dudes. I am disputing the OP assertion that multiple teams had first round grades on these guys. I am calling BS based on the results we saw.

Didn't mean for my post to be taken that way. I'm clearly in the wait and see approach / let him earn it, and I'm not expecting him to be a ROY contender or to perform like an expected first round draft pick. 

When I said "Seems like there are a legitimate amount of actually credible people out there that thought he was worth a first rounder," I'm essentially referencing Ian Rappaport reporting on the Steelers, Chris Simms' comments in the past, and based on what we know of the Panthers thinking (again, based on reports).

There are many teams that chose to pass on him, whether it's because of other needs or they deemed the gamble on taking a QB this draft wasn't worth it (drafting a QB is always a gamble, but this class clearly wasn't deep).

But the fact that The Panthers, the Steelers, and Chris Simms (his track record is strong), and Baldy's clips feels a lot more reassuring than taking a guy like Davis Mills or Will Grier in the 3rd. People/teams that actually know what their talking about, and not just lifelong media guys. It's nothing more than that.

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Teams in need of a QB may have had Corral graded fairly high compared to other QBs and may have been willing to spring for him in the first round.  But, here comes the IF.  This QB class was weak enough that it depended on what other positions are seeing a run in the first round.  If a team was in dire need of OL help (like us), the fact QBs were not flying off the shelf would funnel them in a different direction.  Why use a first round pick on your #1 or #2 choice in a weak QB draft and wind up with your #7 OT choice in the second?

It was pretty obvious somewhere around picks 10 and 12 that there was not going to be a run on QBs.  I was a little surprised to see only one was taken in the first two rounds, but that created a decent opportunity for us and may have better reflected the general assessment of the QB class than seeing three or four of them drafted in the first round.

The Steelers might have grabbed Corral in the first round IF somebody had taken Pickett earlier, but I don't know that anybody else was going to.  To kungfoodude's point, teams below the Steelers had the chance to take him in the first round and passed.  Teams above them that had second round picks also had the chance and also passed, meaning they probably weren't likely to grab him higher in the first round even had Pickett gone earlier. 

I'm not down on Corral at all, and I think he was a great value in the third round.  I've seen some articles refer to him as a steal in that position.  But I am not going to delude myself or set my expectations on him being first-round talent or readiness.  That is setting him up for failure, even if he turns out to be the best QB in our QB room the day he walks in.

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it’s pretty demonstrably clear the panthers would’ve used #38 on him had they still had that pick.

He slid because of the injury and because of issues in his past.

i don’t think he should be regarded as a normal 3rd rounder. My expectations are of that of a 2nd in regards to how I’d handle him.

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2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah the good news is we drafted what should be our franchise LT, which was a HUGE need (pun intended). We also have some intrigue at the QB position and something for McAdoo to work with for a relatively cheap cost. OL and QB battles will actually have some interest this offseason vs watching journeymen OL get demolished and Sam battle PJ…

I am already prepping for Corral to not get a fair evaluation from the coaching staff. I keep thinking of what the dumbest possible thing the coaches could do and that's it. It would be very Panthers.

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2 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

I think this is a really good point.

If you have a first rounder, he's the de facto starter.  You have so  much invested in him.  He will get the first team reps and the team will be built around his particular skill set.

The 3rd/4th rounder may not get these benefits unless something dramatic happens.

I believe cream eventually rises to the top, but there is no doubt the first round gets the benefit of the doubt and a longer leash based on what has been invested.

Kurt Warner is a great example.  Undrafted.  Played arena league 3-4 years.  Played a year in Europe.  Finally signed by Rams where he was 3rd string for 1998.

Unprotected in the 1999 expansion draft.

Finally got his chance when their starter got hurt in the preseason in 1999 and he never looked back - having a career worthy of a first rounder.

Point is - very little investment = fewer opportunities.

Same with Delhomme, took him like 6 years to finally get a starting job

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8 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It doesnt matter once they get drafted.  If they can play they can play.  There is a reason they were not drafted in the first

This guy says hello from the "sixth" round.....

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

So they clearly didn't think these guys were franchise QB's in that case, right? Otherwise you don't let them sit around for three to five rounds.

You do if you believe you already have your franchise QB and want to build around him to maximize the window of opportunity that exists before putting the eggs in the basket of an unknown quantity. Here are the other team's situations, I'll put a star beside teams that realistically were expecting to draft a QB

Buffalo - Has a franchise QB locked in 

New England - Just drafted a QB in the first last year

Miami - Spent a top 5 pick two years ago on a new QB, it's a make or break year for him

New York Jets - Spent a two pick on a QB last year

Cincinnati - Has a franchise QB locked in

Pittsburgh* - Needs a QB and drafted one in the first round

Cleveland - Just gave up a haul to get a franchise QB

Baltimore - Have a franchise QB 

Tennessee* - Tannehill is a question mark enough that Tennessee drafted Willis. You could argue that this may not have been their plan.

Indianapolis - Just traded for Matt Ryan. 

Houston - Just drafted Mills in the 3rd last year, showed enough promise to get a chance to lead during a rebuild

Jacksonville - Just drafted a QB number one last year

Kansas City - Has a franchise QB locked in

Las Vegas - Just extended Carr

LA Chargers - Has a franchise QB locked in

Denver - Just traded for a franchise QB

Dallas - Is paying a good QB like a franchise QB

Philadelphia - Hurts was a 2nd rounder two years ago, like Tua he is in a make or break year

WFT* - Just traded for Carson Wentz, who they will find out shortly is not a franchise QB. Took a flyer on Howell. 

NY Giants* - Giving one more try to top 10 pick Daniel Jones with a new coaching staff. 

Green Bay - Franchise QB that's getting paid 50 million because they pissed him off by trying to find his replacement

Minnesota - Just extended Cousins

Chicago - Just drafted a QB in the first round last year

Detroit* - seem content to use Goff as the bridge QB while they rebuild the rest of the team. Good luck with that.

Tampa - Have the GOAT back again and used a 2nd rounder on a QB last year

New Orleans* - Guess they want to stick with Jameis? Not sure what they'e doing to be honest

Atlanta* - Took Ridder in the 2nd round

LA Rams - Just won a superbowl and extended Stafford

Arizona - Just mended fences with Murray, no way they were going to take a QB high

49ers - Traded 3 first rounders last year to get a QB

Seahawks*- Looks like a complete rebuild after trading Wilson, I guess. 

I count 8 other teams that were possibly looking at drafting a QB high, not 31 of them. 

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It's crucial for users to review the product's safety information and consult with a healthcare provider before beginning any new supplement regimen.   💯GET YOUR Java Burn 75% DISCOUNT NOW 👉 💯Click here to Learn More Java Burn Coffee 👉   Appliance Of Java Burn The process of incorporating Java Burn into your morning routine couldn't be simpler. Unlike swallowing pills, the Java Burn supplement comes in a convenient powdered form, making it effortless to use. Each Java Burn supplement is carefully measured into individual packets, ensuring you get the perfect dose every time. All you need to do is tear open a packet and mix the contents into your morning coffee. Give it a quick stir, and you're all set to kickstart your day with a powerful blend of natural ingredients aimed at promoting weight loss. One common concern is whether adding Java Burn to your coffee will alter its taste. Rest assured, the powder is completely tasteless and odorless, allowing you to enjoy your favorite brew without any flavor interference. While Java Burn can be mixed with any beverage, its formula is specially designed to complement coffee, maximizing its effectiveness. So, for optimal results, it's recommended to pair Java Burn with your morning cup of joe.   Side Effects Of Consuming Java Burn While Java Burn is considered safe for most users, there are potential side effects to consider. Some individuals may experience mild stomach upset or headaches initially, likely due to the caffeine content. Additionally, because of its stimulant properties, it could cause jitteriness or increased heart rate in sensitive individuals. It's advisable to consult with a healthcare professional before starting any new supplement regimen, particularly if pregnant, nursing, or managing underlying health conditions.   Java Burn Scam? How Can You Avoid Them? The term "Java Burn scam" typically refers to fraudulent schemes or counterfeit products falsely marketed as the genuine Java Burn supplement. To avoid falling victim to such scams, it's essential to purchase Java Burn directly from reputable sources, such as the official website or authorized retailers. Be wary of suspiciously low prices or offers that seem too good to be true, as these may indicate counterfeit products. Additionally, carefully review product descriptions, customer reviews, and company information to ensure legitimacy. Avoid sharing personal or financial information with unverified sellers, and always prioritize safety and security when making online purchases. By staying vigilant and conducting thorough research, you can minimize the risk of encountering Java Burn scams and protect yourself from fraudulent activities.   💯GET YOUR Java Burn 75% DISCOUNT NOW 👉 💯Click here to Learn More Java Burn Coffee 👉   Who should avoid the Java Burn? While Java Burn can be beneficial for many individuals seeking to support their weight loss goals, there are certain groups of people who should exercise caution or avoid using it altogether: Pregnant or breastfeeding women: Due to the potential effects of certain ingredients on fetal development or nursing infants, it's generally recommended that pregnant or breastfeeding women avoid Java Burn. Individuals with underlying health conditions: People with pre-existing medical conditions, such as heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, or gastrointestinal disorders, should consult with a healthcare professional before using Java Burn, as certain ingredients may interact with medications or exacerbate their condition. Those sensitive to caffeine: Java Burn contains caffeine, which can cause jitteriness, insomnia, or increased heart rate in individuals sensitive to its effects. People who are particularly sensitive to caffeine should be cautious when using Java Burn or consider alternative supplements. Minors: Java Burn is intended for adult use and may not be suitable for individuals under the age of 18. It's important to follow age recommendations and consult with a healthcare provider before giving Java Burn to minors. Individuals on medication: If you are taking prescription medications or over-the-counter drugs, it's essential to consult with your healthcare provider before using Java Burn to avoid potential interactions or adverse effects. Ultimately, it's crucial to prioritize safety and consult with a healthcare professional before starting any new dietary supplement, including Java Burn, especially if you fall into one of the above categories.   💯GET YOUR Java Burn 75% DISCOUNT NOW 👉 💯Click here to Learn More Java Burn Coffee 👉   Dosage And Instruction Of Java Burn To maximize the benefits of Java Burn and ensure safe and effective usage, it's essential to follow the recommended dosage and instructions: Dosage: Consume one individual packet of Java Burn powder supplement per day. Mix the contents of one packet with your morning coffee or beverage of choice. Instructions: Tear open a single packet of Java Burn powder. Pour the contents into your morning coffee or beverage. Stir the mixture until the powder is fully dissolved. Enjoy your coffee as usual, now enhanced with the weight-loss benefits of Java Burn. Additional Tips: Take Java Burn consistently each morning to maintain a routine. Avoid exceeding the recommended dosage to prevent any potential side effects. Store Java Burn packets in a cool, dry place away from direct sunlight. Following these dosage and instructions can help you incorporate Java Burn into your daily routine effectively and safely, allowing you to support your weight loss goals with ease.   Customer Testimonial Sarah Smith, New York, Fitness Instructor ★★★★★ "I've been using Java Burn for a few weeks now, and I'm already seeing results! My energy levels are up, and I've noticed a decrease in my cravings for unhealthy snacks. Plus, it's so easy to use – just mix it with my morning coffee, and I'm good to go!" John Doe, Los Angeles, Marketing Manager ★★★★☆ "I was skeptical at first, but after giving Java Burn a try, I'm pleasantly surprised. Not only does it taste great in my coffee, but I've also noticed a difference in my metabolism. I feel like I have more energy throughout the day, and I'm starting to see some progress on the scale!" Emily Brown, Chicago, Nutritionist ★★★★★ "Java Burn has been a game-changer for me. As someone who struggles with portion control, I've found that it helps curb my appetite and prevent overeating. Plus, the fact that it's made with all-natural ingredients gives me peace of mind. Highly recommend!" Michael Johnson, Houston, Sales Executive ★★★★★ "I've tried other weight loss supplements in the past, but none have worked as well as Java Burn. It's been a few months since I started using it, and I've already lost several pounds. I love that it's tasteless and odorless – I can barely tell it's there in my morning coffee!"   The Best Way To Take java Burn For Getting Best Result The best way to take Java Burn for optimal results is to mix one packet of the powder supplement into your morning coffee. This ensures that you start your day with a powerful dose of its natural ingredients, which work synergistically to boost your metabolism and support weight loss efforts. Here's a simple step-by-step guide: Start with your usual cup of coffee. Tear open one individual packet of Java Burn powder. Pour the contents of the packet into your coffee. Stir well to ensure the powder is fully dissolved. Enjoy your coffee as you normally would. By incorporating Java Burn into your morning routine, you can kickstart your metabolism, burn fat more efficiently, and experience increased energy levels throughout the day. Plus, since the powder is tasteless and odorless, it won't affect the flavor of your coffee, allowing you to enjoy all the benefits without any compromise.   💯GET YOUR Java Burn 75% DISCOUNT NOW 👉 💯Click here to Learn More Java Burn Coffee 👉   Pricing and Refund Policy: Java Burn offers flexible pricing options to suit different needs and budgets. The product is available for purchase directly from the official website, where you can choose from various package deals: Single Pouch: $69 per pouch Three Pouches: $177 ($59 per pouch) Six Pouches: $294 ($49 per pouch) Each pouch contains a one-month supply of Java Burn powder, making it convenient for long-term use. Refund Policy: Java Burn stands behind its product with a 60-day money-back guarantee. If you're not satisfied with your purchase for any reason, you can request a full refund within 60 days of delivery, no questions asked. Simply contact the customer support team to initiate the refund process. The refund policy ensures that you can try Java Burn risk-free and experience its benefits firsthand. It provides peace of mind knowing that your investment is protected, allowing you to explore the product without any financial risk.   When will I see the results of Java Burn The timeline for experiencing results with Java Burn can vary depending on individual factors such as metabolism, lifestyle, and consistency of use. However, many users typically start noticing positive changes within a few weeks of regular consumption. For some individuals, subtle improvements like increased energy levels and reduced cravings may be observed early on. As you continue to use Java Burn consistently as part of your daily routine, you may begin to see more significant changes such as weight loss, improved metabolism, and better overall well-being. To optimize results, it's essential to follow the recommended dosage instructions and maintain a healthy lifestyle. Consistency is key when it comes to any dietary supplement, so sticking to a routine and giving your body time to adjust is crucial for seeing the full benefits of Java Burn. Remember that individual results may vary, but with patience and dedication, you can maximize the effectiveness of Java Burn for your weight loss journey.   When Can You Expect Your Java Burn Package To Get Delivered? The delivery time for your Java Burn package can vary depending on factors such as your location, shipping method chosen, and any potential delays in transit. Typically, orders are processed and dispatched within a few business days after purchase. Once your order has been shipped, you will receive a confirmation email containing tracking information so you can monitor the progress of your package. Delivery times may range from a few days to a couple of weeks, depending on the shipping option selected and the destination address. To get a more accurate estimate of when your Java Burn package will be delivered, you can refer to the shipping information provided at the time of purchase or contact customer support for assistance. Additionally, factors such as holidays or unforeseen circumstances may impact delivery times, so it's always a good idea to allow for some flexibility in your expectations.   💯GET YOUR Java Burn 75% DISCOUNT NOW 👉 💯Click here to Learn More Java Burn Coffee 👉   Final Verdict In conclusion, Java Burn presents a promising solution for those seeking to enhance their weight loss journey with a natural and convenient supplement. With its blend of carefully selected ingredients and easy-to-use powdered form, it offers a hassle-free way to support your metabolism and shed unwanted pounds. However, while Java Burn holds potential benefits, it's essential to approach any dietary supplement with realistic expectations. Results may vary depending on individual factors such as lifestyle, diet, and overall health. It's also crucial to consult with a healthcare professional before starting any new supplement regimen, especially if you have underlying medical conditions or are taking medications. That said, Java Burn's commitment to quality, backed by its 100% natural ingredients and positive customer feedback, suggests that it could be a valuable addition to your wellness routine. Whether you're looking to jumpstart your weight loss efforts or simply support your overall health, Java Burn offers a convenient and potentially effective option to consider.   Java Burn FAQ: Your Burning Questions Answered! Q: Will Java Burn leave me feeling jittery? A: Not at all! Unlike many other supplements, Java Burn is carefully crafted to provide you with energy and focus without the unwanted jitters. Its caffeine content offers a smooth boost, helping you stay energized throughout the day while supporting your weight loss goals. Q: Are there any potential side effects? A: With Java Burn's natural ingredients, the risk of severe side effects is minimal. While some users may experience mild stomach upset or headaches initially, these effects typically subside within a few days as your body adjusts to the supplement. Q: How much caffeine does Java Burn contain? A: Each serving of Java Burn packs 300mg of caffeine, providing you with the perfect amount of energy to kickstart your day. This dosage is carefully balanced to avoid jitteriness while still offering effective support for your metabolism and weight loss journey. Q: What kind of results can I expect after using Java Burn for 30 days? A: Get ready for some positive changes! Over the course of a month, Java Burn users often notice improvements in their overall health, energy levels, exercise performance, and weight loss efforts. Consistency is key, so stick with it and watch as your goals become a reality!   💯GET YOUR Java Burn 75% DISCOUNT NOW 👉 💯Click here to Learn More Java Burn Coffee 👉
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