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Ranking the 5 Worst Defenses of 2022


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4 hours ago, CRA said:

I can't find it but I would be curious to see what our opponents average starting field position was vs the rest of the league. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm

We had the 32nd starting defensive field position at the 33.5. 

Its true, our redzone defense sucked.  We also sucked at forcing turnovers.

We were 21st in points but that ignores the number of times the defense has to see the field at the worst starting position.  We had 2nd most defensive drives at 197.  

We averaged 1.98 points allowed per defensive drive which puts us at 15th... 2 spots behind the 9ers (1.95)  and better than Browns, Vikings, Packers and way better than WFT. 

This wasn't a bottom 5 D last year and if it doesn't get decimated by injury, it won't be this year.

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I agree our rushing D looked worse than our passing D, but neither were bottom of the league bad.

We were 15th in total rushing yards allowed.

Funny thing is, we were 8th in rushing yards allowed per attempt, so go figure.
Meanwhile In passing we were 9th in passing yards allowed per attempt. 

 

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On 6/29/2022 at 7:27 PM, Jared Patterson said:

We won't be able to stop the run at all this season.... you could tell that from mini camp (which is a terrible sign w/o pads) and the holes were massive. Not as good as a defense as some on here think. Definitely below average, but a ton of young studs that will grow together and with more draft picks and salary space we can become great quick, but specifically for this year we will struggle. For those of you that think Ianaidis, Haynes and Luvu can stop the run you are crazy. 

Because Brown is a “no pun intended” a gigantic bust. The guy needs a nasty streak and isn’t. 

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Let’s be honest, if this defense is bottom 5 it’ll be on Sam. It’s impossible to be consistently good when you have to go out there 15-16 times a game because your offense is majority three and outs or turnovers 

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The article does make a pretty good argument. Our offense will hinder our defense. We have elite talent and an elite play caller, but our offense is so inept it directly clashes into the productivity of the defense given the time of possession and where the opposing offenses drives start from. Hekker should help with some of that, but turnovers and field position must be improved.

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On 6/29/2022 at 11:03 PM, stbugs said:

Eh, not really. We were a top unit giving up yardage. It wasn’t the offenses fault that we gave up 2 TDs for every three times opponents got in the red zone. As the article said, we were only better than two teams at that.

On the flip side the defense also makes the offense one dimensional when they give up TDs so easily. Kind of like how in weeks 1-3, the offense got hot starts and allowed our D to pin their ears back against first time QBs and Winston without coaches. Week 4 started the crash and burn but wouldn’t you say Darnold did enough against Dallas leading us to 28 points? After that the entire team folded badly except against Colt McCoy.

You are saying the O stunk because of the defense? mmmK

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3 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

You are saying the O stunk because of the defense? mmmK

Reading isn’t your forte, is it? Our D absolutely didn’t help. When you are 30th in red zone TD% given up, it means the D makes it harder on the offense because you are losing by larger margins. Our D not holding teams to 3 or stuffing them completely put us more behind than average Ds. As I actually said, that made our offense more one dimensional.

Does that mean the O stunk because of the D? No, it means that our D didn’t help the offense which was already bad. On the other side our bad offense also hurt the D. Was our offense the sole reason our D was bad? No, otherwise the D wouldn’t have been bottom of the NFL in the red zone.

We sucked last year. As much as people want to blame Sam for it all, our D was more than bad enough after week 3 (when our offense was playing well) on their own.

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On 6/30/2022 at 3:11 PM, poundaway said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm

We had the 32nd starting defensive field position at the 33.5. 

Its true, our redzone defense sucked.  We also sucked at forcing turnovers.

We were 21st in points but that ignores the number of times the defense has to see the field at the worst starting position.  We had 2nd most defensive drives at 197.  

We averaged 1.98 points allowed per defensive drive which puts us at 15th... 2 spots behind the 9ers (1.95)  and better than Browns, Vikings, Packers and way better than WFT. 

This wasn't a bottom 5 D last year and if it doesn't get decimated by injury, it won't be this year.

After week 3, we were pro-rated to be within 5 total points of Jax for 30th. We had a hot start against 3 easy opponents. We weren’t a good D after that. The only other 2 really good D games were Colt McCoy and Atlanta, who sucked. We gave up 58 points to Miami and the Giants. Even Atlanta scored 29 against us in Atlanta. We scored 21 which was enough to win 10 of the 16 games (1 tie) they played. We scored 21 with Cam against WFT but the D couldn’t stop Heinecke and Gibson. Heinecke was almost flawless and we gave up 190 on the ground.

Our offense and defense both were bottom of the barrel. We had an aberration of 3 weeks but in the 2-12 run we looked like poo and it was an all around poo show.

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I’m willing to bet that defense will be better if the offense can control the ball. There is talent on the defensive side of the ball, but if your offense goes 3 and out constantly, no defense of going to hold up. 

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14 hours ago, stbugs said:

After week 3, we were pro-rated to be within 5 total points of Jax for 30th. We had a hot start against 3 easy opponents. We weren’t a good D after that. The only other 2 really good D games were Colt McCoy and Atlanta, who sucked. We gave up 58 points to Miami and the Giants. Even Atlanta scored 29 against us in Atlanta. We scored 21 which was enough to win 10 of the 16 games (1 tie) they played. We scored 21 with Cam against WFT but the D couldn’t stop Heinecke and Gibson. Heinecke was almost flawless and we gave up 190 on the ground.

Our offense and defense both were bottom of the barrel. We had an aberration of 3 weeks but in the 2-12 run we looked like poo and it was an all around poo show.

By the  standard measurements of defense, we were 21st in points  allowed and 2nd in yards, so we're probably somewhere in the middle.    Those 3 games you refer to didn't allow 0 yards and 0 points to offset the other 14 games in the average.    Many other teams played those 3 teams as well, should we devalue their stats?

You ignore the offensive performance in the games you cited.  For example, we scored THREE points against the Giants.     For 10 of the Giants points they had to go less than 20 yards.  2 of the points the O gave away in a safety after the Giants turned over on downs  after goal line stand--4 downs on the 1.  The Giants couldn't get a yard.  The  O follows that up by  surrendering 2 points and giving the ball back without gaining a yard.

Take 5 mins watch the highlights on youtube: link

Put your avatar where your mouth is.  I bet you we are top half of the league in points AND yards this year. 
 

 

 

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14 hours ago, stbugs said:

After week 3, we were pro-rated to be within 5 total points of Jax for 30th. We had a hot start against 3 easy opponents. We weren’t a good D after that. The only other 2 really good D games were Colt McCoy and Atlanta, who sucked. We gave up 58 points to Miami and the Giants. Even Atlanta scored 29 against us in Atlanta. We scored 21 which was enough to win 10 of the 16 games (1 tie) they played. We scored 21 with Cam against WFT but the D couldn’t stop Heinecke and Gibson. Heinecke was almost flawless and we gave up 190 on the ground.

Our offense and defense both were bottom of the barrel. We had an aberration of 3 weeks but in the 2-12 run we looked like poo and it was an all around poo show.

Yes, even Joe freakin judge called our team a clown show 

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