Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Don't fire Matt Rhule yet.


TheWiz
 Share

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

No. More. College. Coaches.

I agree.  The reference I made to college jobs was Rhule getting one to offload his (ridiculous) salary.

I want a college coach here as much as I want a root canal and lobotomy.  Although after watching Rhule, the lobotomy does have a comforting sound to it.

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Steve wilks at head coach… Ben still calling plays? Or is someone else just gonna come out the blue and switch up the entire offense mid-season? I just don’t see it. And its not like the players hate rhule he hasn’t lost the locker room so would that really add motivation? Its just an L of a season

This is legit. But changes do motivate people. Steve Wilks at interim coach... and Sam Darnold at QB could get 3 more wins for this team. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Go Away GIF

It's really about cutting losses at this point, literally...  anything to the contrary is the sunken cost fallacy.  The longer he stays, the deeper the hole gets that we have to climb ourselves out of and the bigger the cloud that hangs over the franchise...  and that can't be understated.  That is hard to work your way out of.  Really hard.  It takes a special coach to come in and be able to turn a culture around where the team he is inheriting has won only about 25% of their games over the last three years.  If Rhule stays, we'll be down to below .200, IIRC.  Now sure, at that point, a #1 overall QB will help, but that's only if you actually hit on them...  so you really need to play this like that's not a given and see what you can do in terms of scheme and changes this year by firing Rhule and seeing what parts of the roster are salvageable.  The record is irrelevant.

And as an aside, I had to attend my grandmother-in-law's funeral services yesterday with my wide and children,  then spent the day with her family afterwards.  We didn't get home til late, and I barely checked anything to do with our game.  It was the first game which I've missed the entirety of since the inception of our franchise.  And amazingly, it felt really good.  I was already long detached from emotions since last season, but I was still invested.  I still spent hours discussing a whole lot of nothing here after every game, including this season, when I already know what the outcome will be and how it will play out.  It was so refreshing to spend the day having meaningful interaction with loved ones then brooding over what we all already know will happen with this team every Sunday under this abhorrent regime (Tepper included). 

Canning Rhule is the first step to winning the fans back and turning this thing around.  And again, the longer they string this out with him, the more damage is done and the longer it will take to repair it for the next staff.  And honestly, the longer he stays, the more likely it is the entire roster will have to be overhauled because once the young, talented leaders of this team (think Burns, Chinn, etc.) get tainted with this losing, sometimes they can't ever get out of it and won't last through a new staff coming in.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I agree.  The reference I made to college jobs was Rhule getting one to offload his (ridiculous) salary.

I want a college coach here as much as I want a root canal and lobotomy.  Although after watching Rhule, the lobotomy does have a comforting sound to it.

I think if they fire him, he gets the full boat...even if he does sign a big college contract.

 

Certainly could be wrong though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am, like everyone else here, ready for Matt Rhule to be fired. He should have been fired after last season's disastrous 7 game losing streak to finish the season. But alas, here we are with another disaster season incoming. 

I agree that it's not the right time to fire him. It's too early in the season and there's really not much to be gained from waiting until at least December. 80% of the staff are guys who are connected to Rhule in some way, so even if you fire Rhule, there's still a vast majority of the staff that are loyal to him. They obviously won't be cleaning house mid-season, so I'm not sure what's to be gained there. There needs to be at least a skeleton crew to coach on gameday. 

This season is going to finish ugly either way. I don't see how letting Steve Wilks or Ben McAdoo ride this ship into the depths of hell is any better than just letting the guy who got us here do it. The captain should go down with his ship. 

Next season I really hope the vibe around this team is different. Tepper has made some massive mistakes, and they seem to be compounding (Tepper should understand how that works). A highly drafted rookie QB with an NFL caliber coaching staff could really bring the fanbase back. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I think if they fire him, he gets the full boat...even if he does sign a big college contract.

 

Certainly could be wrong though.

NFL coaching contracts always contain "offset language."  Unless Tepper did something incredibly stupid (possible, especially with Hurney involved), it is a one-for-one offset of his college salary against his Panthers salary.  And just like collecting unemployment, he can't sit on his butt and watch reruns of Gilligan's Island and collect the money.  He has to attempt to find a job.

I read something the other day saying this was indeed the case with Rhule's contract, but where the author got the information was not clear.  He could have made it up.

Normally NFL coaching contracts like personal services contracts.  Al Davis one time threatened to have a coach he fired wash his car while he was under contract.  I don't think he did it, but contractually he might have been able to.

 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Sure it does, maybe not every position and not every draft.  You have to admit the hit rate goes down the further in the draft you get.  Would you more readily find a generational talent at the #2 pick or #19 pick?  High picks are considered "busts" if they doesn't pan out, whereas guys drafted later don't have that level of scrutiny upon them.  Different expectation levels.  If Styles does indeed go #2, I already listed the rarefied air that he would be in.  Maybe he doesn't set the League on fire, but my gut feeling is he does.  Again, you don't take an off-ball LB #2 if he is just a 'really good' player.
    • To illustrate my point, I watched (and commented on the Huddle) that Rozeboom would often wait a full second (or close to it) before taking his first step.  I assume that he probably had issues with false steps, a faulty practice that can take an ILB out of the gap completely.  Watch Luke and you see a step with the snap, and rarely was it a false step.  Rozeboom may have had 100 tackles (speculating) but initial contact was 2-3 yards on the defensive side of the ball.  Luke's 100 tackles were made 1-2 yards from the LOS.  Over the course of a year, Luke was much more productive (more fumbles, fewer long gainers, more OL penalties, fewer first downs, etc) that Rozeboom, but on the stat sheet, they both had 100 tackles.  In fact, Rozeboom's inefficiency kept him on the field more (more first downs, fewer OL penalties, turnovers, and punts) so he should have MORE tackles.   I would like to see stats that break down those things.   For example again, Josh Norman was slow--4.68 or so at CB.  However, his anticipation speed was incredible.  He made as many plays as a 4.4 CB.  I had one coach (college--later became the head coach at WCU) tell me that slower players have to use their brains more to still be around.  Elite athletes can just get by on their physical superiority.  He added, "Rarely does a football player run full speed.  Most of the time, they are not, so the 40 time is misleading stat.  Smart players overcome shortcomings--when the elite athlete becomes average (slows with age, advances in level of competition) they struggle against smarter (football IQ) competition.  
    • Obviously tongue in cheek hyperbole. But we do not need a first round RB to compete for a championship. We need intelligent roster building. That to me is the complete opposite of intelligent roster building because it is a prime resource at a devalued plug and play position when we have needs across the defense.
×
×
  • Create New...