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An analysis of what went wrong between Tepper and Rhule by Charles Robinson

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Franchise QBs don't fall off trees. The best way to get them is to draft them. Take as many shots as you can in the draft, and give the players time to develop before discarding them prematurely. The cream will rise to the top, and you won't have to spend excessive millions to boot.

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2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Stafford's back wouldn't have lasted a season behind the line we had. The situation he ended up in was the best for Stafford, obviously, but here he'd have ended up like Birdgewater, Darnold and Mayfield, in my opinion.

And the dude deserved better than that after what he'd endured in Detroit for all those years. Karma took care of Stafford.

Good point.

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Imagine all of the cap space and draft picks they could’ve kept if they just trusted their draft process. Draft your QB - you’ll know within 1-2 seasons if he’s the answer. If he isn’t, draft the next QB and try again. That way you save cap and picks so you can continue to build your roster. 

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3 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Sure Stafford won a SB with a stacked Rams side he’s playing now at about the level he would have here I believe. I’d much rather have Horn than Stafford at these stages in their careers 

Yeah well the difference there is hardware. The Rams have a Super Bowl championship to point to, even if Stafford's long term health declines. They reached the mountaintop. 

We haven't had a winning season since 2017. 

Would Stafford have won a championship here? Highly unlikely given how badly managed this team has been. But staring at your prospective QB win a title elsewhere will always hurt. 

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1 minute ago, Rubi said:

Imagine all of the cap space and draft picks they could’ve kept if they just trusted their draft process. Draft your QB - you’ll know within 1-2 seasons if he’s the answer. If he isn’t, draft the next QB and try again. That way you save cap and picks so you can continue to build your roster. 

What’s funny is that is what fitt preached when he was hired but has since done the exact opposite 

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7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Franchise QBs don't fall off trees. The best way to get them is to draft them. Take as many shots as you can in the draft, and give the players time to develop before discarding them prematurely. The cream will rise to the top, and you won't have to spend excessive millions to boot.

It is the best way but you can also end up in a decade or more long string of failed experiments. The biggest thing is having quality evaluators capable of identifying franchise QB talent. Then having good management in place to make the decision to get a franchise caliber guy. If you lack one or the other, it's just a parade of bad choices and losing seasons.

So, while all that sounds easy, it's a lot harder in practice.

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11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Franchise QBs don't fall off trees. The best way to get them is to draft them. Take as many shots as you can in the draft, and give the players time to develop before discarding them prematurely. The cream will rise to the top, and you won't have to spend excessive millions to boot.

Agree 100%.

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

What’s funny is that is what fitt preached when he was hired but has since done the exact opposite 

One of the biggest issues we need to figure out is our compensatory picks. We do an exceptionally bad job of balancing the offseason signings and positioning ourselves well to get those picks. 

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People that think this team would have gone places with Stafford are straight up delusional.  With Stafford’s injury history, he would have been IRd in no time and hell maybe even retired completely right now at this point given our O line that was in shambles.

I mean Jesus Christ, we literally lost two QBs in one game during pre season due to injury Darnold and Corral. Scratch that, we lost two QBs in one half! 

Even if that wasn’t the case, we still had Joe Brady and Matt Rhule so we would have likely still had a losing record. Too many people have this NBA mentality when it comes to the NFL, this isn’t the NBA where all you have to do is sign one superstar like Lebron James then it’s off to the super bowl. 

There are sooo many moving parts to an NFL team and what it takes to be successful that most of our minds can’t even comprehend. If we ended up getting Stafford, we would have been a 8-8 team AT BEST with our O line and coaching at the time and hell, that’s assuming he would have stayed healthy all season behind our putrid O line at the time. 

Now Stafford behind this O line we have now?! You MIGHT have a case we would have a winning record, but again, would he have survived up until this point had he signed with us?! 

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Good read but gives Rhule too much benefit of the doubt and shifts blame to Tepper for catastrophic coaching. 
 

Tepper is to blame for hiring Rhule, period. The Stafford trade I am glad it didn’t happen. He is regressing quickly and looks like a one year rental to help Rams win the SuperBowl. He looks terrible this year

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