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It’s simple, if Fitt is GM and he’s available, Bryce Young will be the guy.

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I think Young's trajectory ends up somewhere in between Tua and Kyler. Maybe that's being lazy....idk. Watching Kyler and Tua run around, the height difference jumps off the screen. 

I'm not saying Young can't make it nor would I be mad if we took him per se. The kid definitely needs to add 15-20 lbs in the weight room for sure.

From a stature standpoint, I think Young is closer to Flutie than Russ.

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2 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

How does Fitt explain trading for Sam Darnold? How does Fitt explain trading for Baker Mayfield?

Knowing everything I know now I'd still do that Darnold trade. We put him behind an awful OLine - it's our fault it didn't work out.

As for Mayfield, it's a 5th round pick and the Browns are paying the majority of his salary.

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I have been a Panther fan since day 1, a member of this board for over a decade, and read it daily, but never posted.  I think we all can agree that for whatever reason, college coaches historically do not do well in the NFL and with that in mind, there are other historical college-to-NFL facts that everyone seems to disregard.  No quarterback, and only 3 players in history, have ever won the national championship, the Heisman trophy, and a Super b owl.  Only 2 quarterbacks have ever won a Heisman and a super b owl, Jim Plunkett and Roger Staubach.  Only 2 quarterbacks have ever won both championships but not the Heisman, Joe Montana and Joe Namath.  While getting the right QB is crucial in the NFL, the historical trends seem to be against these high-profile, Heisman award-winning, and/or college-champion quarterbacks lifting the Lombardi for some reason, especially in the last 35-40 years.  So if winning it all is the goal, do we roll the dice on beating the historical trends like Tepper did hiring Rhule?  The Panthers already have a quarterback with similar college stats, stature, accolades and hype when he came out in Baker Mayfield, but everyone wants him gone.  So why is Bryce Young going to be different than all the others before him and beat the odds?  Ask yourself.  Do they peak too early or are they just a product of college team success and award rankings hype only?    So I worry about drafting any QB with a Heisman(Panthers have had 4, w 2 by free agency/trade) or national championship (Panthers have had 2 both drafted, maybe give a 1/2 for Kerry Collins almost national championship LOL) on his resume, just like I did the day Matt Rhule was hired.  History seems to be against Bryce Young winning it all in the NFL at this point, regardless of his size issues.  So picking him, we are hoping he beats the trend or we face another decade without a SB win.  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/joe-burrow-super-bowl-heisman-college-championship/pfp6kmfx6equuz9gfgddtleb

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I would rather land CJ, but I was just looking at some clips of Young and I'm changing my mind about him. If we win some games and drop a bit in the draft we might want to take Young. I would not have said that before but more clips are popping up on youtube and he is very intelligent and savvy, and good but not great arm of course. He manipulates the secondary with his eyes and body language and like that. It shows he's calm in the pocket and knows exactly what he wants to do ahead of time. I still would rather have CJ because his arm is stronger, but Young is changing my mind. On the other hand I'm not going to be as stunned if we don't take a QB because CJ and Young are already gone. 

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