The right coaching

[Mr. Scot]

Saw this tweet this morning...

Goff better than Stafford? Nobody would have said that prior to this season.

What's the reason?

Coaching.

There's massive debate going on right now about what quarterback we need to take, and that's fine. But I'd argue the coaching decision is more important. We're going to need someone who can develop that young quarterback, whoever they may be.

Basically, if the Panthers don't get the right offensive coaching in place, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot...again.

[TheCasillas]

I think the counter argument here would be that the Rams won a Super Bowl. So no matter how you slice that trade… they accomplished their ultimate goal in a single offseason. They may not have a bright future at this moment, but they won a Super Bowl and there is no telling they could have done it with Goff. 

[ThPantherFan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Saw this tweet this morning...

Goff better than Stafford? Nobody would have said that prior to this season.

What's the reason?

Coaching.

There's massive debate going on right now about what quarterback we need to take, and that's fine. But I'd argue the coaching decision is more important. We're going to need someone who can develop that young quarterback, whoever they may be.

Basically, if the Panthers don't get the right offensive coaching in place, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot...again.

My sentiments exactly.  Coaching makes or breaks.  Just look at the Panthers.  We're doing much better after we moved on from, you know who.

[Waldo]

Coaching is the top issue for us and will determine if it's even worth arguing about what body plays QB moving forward. 

The Rams got a SB so the trade still was worth it.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Waldo

[Sgt Schultz]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Saw this tweet this morning...

Goff better than Stafford? Nobody would have said that prior to this season.

What's the reason?

Coaching.

There's massive debate going on right now about what quarterback we need to take, and that's fine. But I'd argue the coaching decision is more important. We're going to need someone who can develop that young quarterback, whoever they may be.

Basically, if the Panthers don't get the right offensive coaching in place, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot...again.

That always stems the great debate about how many "busts" might have been decent had they been drafted by a team that could develop a QB, or at a minimum, put a young QB in a position to succeed rather than almost assure failure.  And how many great good QBs might have been washed out had they gone to a dumpster fire. 

Great QBs probably will always find a way to be great, and bad ones will always find a way to be bad. But that middle group, which is probably the majority, wind up being functions of coaching.  Some manage to salvage careers anyway, but are left wondering what might have been.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Coaching is incredibly important, but it's not the reason Stafford is physically done.  Weird argument.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Coaching is incredibly important, but it's not the reason Stafford is physically done.  Weird argument.

Goff was playing better than Stafford before he was hurt.

But setting Stafford aside, the fact that Goff is playing well at all given his history is a testament to the power of coaching.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

That always stems the great debate about how many "busts" might have been decent had they been drafted by a team that could develop a QB, or at a minimum, put a young QB in a position to succeed rather than almost assure failure.  And how many great good QBs might have been washed out had they gone to a dumpster fire. 

Great QBs probably will always find a way to be great, and bad ones will always find a way to be bad. But that middle group, which is probably the majority, wind up being functions of coaching.  Some manage to salvage careers anyway, but are left wondering what might have been.

David Carr is the first guy I think of when this topic comes up.

During his first few years in Houston, they didn't even bother teaching him how to read a defense. They just designed to play, told him to throw the ball to a specific spot and left it at that.

How the hell do you not teach a professional quarterback how to read a defense?

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Goff was playing better than Stafford before he was hurt.

But setting Stafford aside, the fact that Goff is playing well at all given his history is a testament to the power of coaching.

Stafford fell off big time this year, which is what I meant by physically done.  Goff has posted similar numbers before under McVay and is a 2 time pro bowler.  Goff's not that bad, he's just not good enough.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

Stafford fell off big time this year, which is what I meant by physically done.  Goff has posted similar numbers before under McVay and is a 2 time pro bowler.  Goff's not that bad, he's just not good enough.

He's way better than he used to be.

[kungfoodude]

I am genuinely perplexed by this "development" idea on Goff. Can someone point out why this season he seems more "developed" than in previous seasons??

Statistically, he is basically doing the exact same thing he has done his entire NFL career.

[Jay Roosevelt]

This is true and exactly why we don't want Steve Wilks being our head coach after this year.

See also: Staley, Brandon.

[MasterAwesome]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's way better than he used to be.

He's really not.  He's performing very similarly to his first year under McVay, or slightly worse.  I don't think that's a coincidence - I imagine Goff benefits quite a bit from a new innovative offensive system and doesn't quite have the elite ability for sustained success.  So he'll most likely get figured out at some point next year and his production will drop off like it did with the Rams.

2017: 28 TDs, 7 INTs, 62.1 Completion %, 253.6 YPG, 8.0 Y/A, 100.5 rating

2022: 19 TDs, 7 INTs, 64.9 Completion %, 251.8 YPG, 7.5 Y/A, 95.7 rating

[Stumpy]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am genuinely perplexed by this "development" idea on Goff. Can someone point out why this season he seems more "developed" than in previous seasons??

Statistically, he is basically doing the exact same thing he has done his entire NFL career.

I was wondering the same thing...