Coaching interview updates

[Mother Grabber]

34 minutes ago, Pantherzilla91 said:

I don't care about something that happened over 10 years ago. 

I want to win football games and if you and other fans with your "holier than thou" attitudes are that bothered by hiring Payton then maybe football just isn't for you. It's a cutthroat league all about wins and losses. 

how long ago it happened is irrelevant because you can bet your ass he’d still be doing it if he could. putting the outcome of a sportsball game above the health and livelihood of another human is the textbook definition of sociopathic behavior, both for those who do it and those who support it. being against such behavior isn’t holier than thou, it’s basic humanity. if you support this behavior, then maybe modern society just isn’t for you, and you should go back to 800 AD when this was acceptable.

weakness isn’t being too soft to handle the big tough guy manly man’s game where we win at all costs, its hiding behind  excuses and not being able to stand up for whats right, even if it means personal loss to you. 

[rippadonn]

Joe Brady was intended to bring New Orleans and Payton ju ju. 

It failed.

[exactlyzack]

3 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

He is the sacrifice for losing a playoff game that your team led 27-0. Only scoring 3 points in the second half falls on the OC.

Oh yeah for sure. It’s the last thing a head coach does before they get fired. So much for Payton going to the Chargers this year I guess.

[therealmjl]

8 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Joe Brady was intended to bring New Orleans and Payton ju ju. 

It failed.

So did everything else under Matt Rhule's leadership.

Joe Brady has a bright future in the NFL. He'll be a coordinator again very soon.

Edited January 17, 2023 by therealmjl

[rippadonn]

5 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

So did everything else under Matt Rhule's leadership.

Joe Brady has a bright future in the NFL. He'll be a coordinator again very soon.

I'm talking about wanting to be New Orleans and thinking Brady could bring that stench along with him, you know, the smell.

Gladly, he didn't. On to better things for sure.

Edited January 17, 2023 by rippadonn

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Here's an interesting thought for you ...

The statement is that no coach has ever won a SB with two different teams. But how many have won a SB while they've coached for their 2nd or 3rd team? It's sort of like the statement, but in reverse. Ok, a coach won it all, then he went on to another team and couldn't do it again. Well ... some coaches couldn't get to the big dance, changed teams, and then they won.

See what I'm saying? Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't, like via some sort of evil wizard spell put on the scenario. Because "it" isn't a scientific principal so to speak. It's BS.

And I'll say it a third time: how many head coaches have made it to a SB? How many HC have won? Now, how many HC have ever been in the NFL?

If you don't like Payton, fine. But don't use this spooky voodoo theory as the reason not to bring in an offensive-minded coach ... which 90% of us want. If we can't get Johnson or Iggles Guy ... may as well bring in a proven dude.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Brees and Payton absolutely complemented each other. Doesn't necessarily mean one made the other, but it was the combo of the two of them more than it was either individual.

That does, however, mean that you'd be counting on Payton to do it again here without someone like Brees.

For an example of how that could turn out, how are things going in New England right now?

To be fair though, Mr. Scot ... anyone we bring in comes here with what we have too. So it boils down to who do you think is the better at schemes: Payton, Johnson, or Steichen?

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Meanwhile...

 

hahaha yessssss

(does this mean that wilks is 100% out? holcomb is his boy)

Edited January 17, 2023 by Sean Payton's Vicodin

[Pantherzilla91]

30 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

how long ago it happened is irrelevant because you can bet your ass he’d still be doing it if he could. putting the outcome of a sportsball game above the health and livelihood of another human is the textbook definition of sociopathic behavior, both for those who do it and those who support it. being against such behavior isn’t holier than thou, it’s basic humanity. if you support this behavior, then maybe modern society just isn’t for you, and you should go back to 800 AD when this was acceptable.

weakness isn’t being too soft to handle the big tough guy manly man’s game where we win at all costs, its hiding behind  excuses and not being able to stand up for whats right, even if it means personal loss to you. 

Do you have the same energy for the rest of the NFL who have kept players in the league that have done actual crimes?

[TylerDurden]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Brees and Payton absolutely complemented each other. Doesn't necessarily mean one made the other, but it was the combo of the two of them more than it was either individual.

That does, however, mean that you'd be counting on Payton to do it again here without someone like Brees.

For an example of how that could turn out, how are things going in New England right now?

I'm not trying to discount that Brees wasn't great, but just trying to really emphasize how much scheme matters in allowing guys to maximize their potential.  No doubt, and 100% agree, Brees and Payton perfectly complemented each other.  It was a perfect fit - Brees strengths and style of play, and Payton's scheme and system

That being said, I also think if Brees ended up signing with the Dolphins that offseason instead of Payton and New Orleans, he does NOT end up becoming as great as he did.  Nowhere close.  I think he would've been a solid, occasional Pro Bowl guy here and there, but not record-setting, thorn in our side, HOFer.  And again, that speaks to the brilliance of scheme and coaching.  We got to see time and time again him out-think, outcoach, out maneuver, and outsmart the coaches we've had in place here...  and do it all with that squinty-eyed, pursed lip face from the sideline that just made you wish you could punch him.  But again, all that matters to me, is can he coach?  While yes, Brees was the one constant, and a big one at that, that organization had a ton of turnover, tons of injuries, and constantly seemed strapped for resources - be it draft picks or cap space.  And yet, every year, he was making chicken salad out of chicken poo.  He beat our ass with backups and whole units decimated too many times to count.

I look at my previous stated example of Shanahan.  Those guys make their teams exceed expectations because their scheme and playcalling is just so perfect, or damn near close to it.  I told someone the other day, I'm convinced Shanahan could sign one of us off the street and scheme up a gameplan to win, STILL.  I also look at how bad Baker looked here versus how he looked with the Rams, especially the first game with no prep.  It was night and day.  And again, McVay is just flat out a great coach.  I look at how many people questioned Daniel Jones since he's been in NY, and then look how he's playing now under Daboll.  I look at how shitty Goff looked in Detroit before Johnson got there.  I look at how Derek Carr went from MVP-caliber QB, to looking meh under McDaniels (who has proven time and time again that he is a shitty coach who has rode Brady and Belichick's coat tails to success by proxy).  I know from the coaches we've had here and then looking at the impact, mastermind-level coaches around the league that the great coaches make their players better.  They make the average guys good, the good guys great, and the great guys exceptional.  The coaches we've had make their teams play to the expected level or below and that's it, and it's usually below.  They make their players worse and usually in unfavorable positions where it's hard to succeed.

So, do I think Payton could do that here? Absolutely.  While there is no QB in place, I always trust an offensive-minded coach with a proven track record to find a way to make it work and to elevate the play of the players they have.  And again, any one of the young OCs we're interested in could become one of those coaches as well, so I'm not against it.   I just know Payton has done it as a HC and can do it again.  I actually think coming into this situation isn't much different than when he got to NO and they had to find a QB.  I also think Carr would be the perfect bridge for the situation.

And again, I'm not saying this put all my eggs in the Payton basket.  All things considered, it would be a lot more awesome to find the next great, young offensive mind in that same Payton, McVay, Shanahan mold.  But, I know what Payton has done and can do.  So, I'm liking our options regardless.

[DennisM1]

16 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

our own Natalie Miller (verge) on Twitter

 2024 first round pick for Sean Payton seems more and more likely. Tepper wants his guy. Would be an unprecedented move to shift him within the division and will ultimately come down to Payton and the Saints willingness to do so. I think Tepper is pretty well bought in.

Not a reliable source 

[ladypanther]

43 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

He is the sacrifice for losing a playoff game that your team led 27-0. Only scoring 3 points in the second half falls on the OC.

Shanahan did that in the SB with the Falcons.  Look at him now.

[Mother Grabber]

8 minutes ago, Pantherzilla91 said:

Do you have the same energy for the rest of the NFL who have kept players in the league that have done actual crimes?

it depends on the situation. many players do their time, come out better people and deserve another chance. Had Payton accepted that what he did was wrong and had shown that he’s making efforts to correct his behavior and help others do the same, then i wouldn’t have a problem with him. he has shown no remorse, and tried to play the victim card.

in cases like this, i like to point to Dany Heatly from the NHL. he got drunk and smashed his ferrari into the wall of his apt complex, killing his passenger. Since he was a superstar, and his passenger, who was a teammate, was a nobody, his punishment for committing manslaughter was to get traded to Ottawa. he should be in jail, but was give a pat on the head, the family was paid off, and no one cares that a man died because they need to win games.

fug Ottawa for accepting him into their team and profiting off of the success he helped bring them.

[DJ feed me moore]

52 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

how long ago it happened is irrelevant because you can bet your ass he’d still be doing it if he could. putting the outcome of a sportsball game above the health and livelihood of another human is the textbook definition of sociopathic behavior, both for those who do it and those who support it. being against such behavior isn’t holier than thou, it’s basic humanity. if you support this behavior, then maybe modern society just isn’t for you, and you should go back to 800 AD when this was acceptable.

weakness isn’t being too soft to handle the big tough guy manly man’s game where we win at all costs, its hiding behind  excuses and not being able to stand up for whats right, even if it means personal loss to you. 

dont care, just win baby.