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Even though some of these guys are perceived as young and inexperienced, the two clear favorites each have over a decade of NFL coaching experience.  Sure, not a coordinator for all, but growth in multiple organizations, around plenty of different coaches and players.  

As an outsider to it all, I'd mostly be concerned about Kafka, Moore, & Mayo as they not only have half the experience, but have been pretty heavily siloed from a franchise/scheme background standpoint.  Kafka is interesting because he was within 2 really good staffs & environments, but Moore and Mayo would be the ones I would have a TON of pause with.

It seems people are placing this "young gun, nerdy offensive mind" generalization on like all of these guys but coaches are getting younger, more players are becoming them, and there is simply a more diverse bunch all around from a scheme, background, & connection standpoint.

But then, looking on the supposed other end, you know the interesting thing looking back with Wilks? Over his entire career, he has 14 years NFL experience to his name, while taking 2020 mostly off and 2021 in Missouri, (with only 5 more NFL years experience than Steichen and Johnson).  Only 3 of those were as a coordinator and the bulk of it was tied to the hip with Rivera.  It may feel good, and it may feel like a sound and justified move, but there is a lot, and I mean, a lot of question marks with who he would bring together and the type of team he would want.  Just find the support surprising but it's just awkward to really diss him given the player support. Just a weird spot honestly.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

He was enamored with Rhule too, not saying it’s the same situation but still…

Ben Johnson is the real deal.  Detroit offense was a pleasure to watch and it wasn't just talent making plays.  His ability to scheme guys open and establish a creative running game was great.  I think DJ Moore would play the St. Brown role in this offense.  

Time to hop on the train my man

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Ben Johnson is the real deal.  Detroit offense was a pleasure to watch and it wasn't just talent making plays.  His ability to scheme guys open and establish a creative running game was great.  I think DJ Moore would play the St. Brown role in this offense.  

Time to hop on the train my man

Hey, anyone that makes Goff look All pro is fine by me. I just have a hard time trusting Tepper.

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21 minutes ago, methodtoll said:

Interesting tidbit coming from Scott Fowler:

Panthers request interview with Jets' Safeties Coach, Marquand Manuel for Defensive Coordinator position

But why? Shouldn't the head coach pick the DC???

@Icege (I think I tagged the right person) added that new rules require 1 minority candidate to be interviewed regarding coordinator roles. 

So if they find their HC he could quickly assemble his staff.

Other have mentioned connections with Fitterer, Morgan and Dorsey. 

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11 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

Even though some of these guys are perceived as young and inexperienced, the two clear favorites each have over a decade of NFL coaching experience.  Sure, not a coordinator for all, but growth in multiple organizations, around plenty of different coaches and players.  

As an outsider to it all, I'd mostly be concerned about Kafka, Moore, & Mayo as they not only have half the experience, but have been pretty heavily siloed from a franchise/scheme background standpoint.  Kafka is interesting because he was within 2 really good staffs & environments, but Moore and Mayo would be the ones I would have a TON of pause with.

It seems people are placing this "young gun, nerdy offensive mind" generalization on like all of these guys but coaches are getting younger, more players are becoming them, and there is simply a more diverse bunch all around from a scheme, background, & connection standpoint.

But then, looking on the supposed other end, you know the interesting thing looking back with Wilks? Over his entire career, he has 14 years NFL experience to his name, while taking 2020 mostly off and 2021 in Missouri, (with only 5 more NFL years experience than Steichen and Johnson).  Only 3 of those were as a coordinator and the bulk of it was tied to the hip with Rivera.  It may feel good, and it may feel like a sound and justified move, but there is a lot, and I mean, a lot of question marks with who he would bring together and the type of team he would want.  Just find the support surprising but it's just awkward to really diss him given the player support. Just a weird spot honestly.

 

 

 

Correction on a Wilks stat--he only has 3 more years of NFL coaching experience than Steichen and Johnson.

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A random thought about Dorsey—(not CAR specific)

He’s not being talked about much but a funny connection he does have is his old colleague and college coach in Chud.

Wonder if he’d be calling BC for a buy out if he lands a gig. Unsure if he’d really be able to pull many BUF coaches with him to a new spot.

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