Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

New Coach Thread 2: Electric Boogaloo


Ricky Spanish
 Share

Recommended Posts

10 minutes ago, Tommy Jone said:

You keep mentioning Ryans. Is he going to interview or nah?

Think the ship has sailed there honestly. He can't interview with us until next Monday and I think Tepper's going to have narrowed down his list by then. 

edit: this tweet around the interview process could be useful to add to the OP

 

Edited by UNCrules2187
  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Count me in the minority who likes Kellen Moore.

He gets way too much disrespect and I really don't understand why.  Is he a perfect candidate?  Of course not, but if you want the perfect candidate, you will be disappointed.  He would be on the same caliber of hire as Zac Taylor, Kevin O'Connell, Matt LaFleur, etc.  A young, hot-shot OC who used to be a quarterback who might need some refinement and maybe a year or two to really learn how to connect with players, but the potential is sky-high.  

The offense has finished 6th or higher in PPG 3 out of the 4 years he's been OC.  The one year they didn't finish in the top 6 was in 2020, when Dak got hurt and they still finished 17th in PPG with Andy Dalton largely starting most of the season.  Cowboys were 22nd in scoring in 2018 and 14th in 2017.  Moore has been the difference maker.  He does a great job getting everyone involved, from the WRs to the TEs to both RBs.  And he's been able to keep the offense productive despite injuries.  He's shown signs of being very creative and I think he's one of the best short-yardage play-callers in the business.

My #1 choice?  Probably not.  But there is way too much trashing of him on this forum.  I don't know what more people want.  Some of you complain about going for a guy like Payton.  But then you don't want to go for a guy like Moore, who has consistently coordinated one of the best offenses in the entire NFL year-in, year-out, and did so by transforming Dak from a conservative QB to someone willing to push it down the field and make plays.  

If we hire him, he will have my full support.

I'd still take Kafka over him, mainly because I love that he learned under Reid and Daboll.  Steichen's work with QBs is hard to turn down either.  But I think Moore belongs in that conversation with the two of them. 

 

  • Pie 2
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I feel like Moore's issue with some is he got hyped up TOO soon.  So of course people hold him to higher expectations than they do the others.  But he has more play-calling experience than Steichen, Dorsey, and Kafka.  And has the success to back up the hype.  

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Mage said:

I feel like Moore's issue with some is he got hyped up TOO soon.  So of course people hold him to higher expectations than they do the others.  But he has more play-calling experience than Steichen, Dorsey, and Kafka.  And has the success to back up the hype.  

Of the candidates left, I think Steichen is my preferred option at this point, but I think after some consideration I'd prefer Moore to Kafka and Dorsey due to his playcalling experience. I'd be happy with Payton too if that's how it shakes out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

25 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Not sure Wilks gets to keep Holcomb if he stays, though I realize he prefers that. If I’m Tepper and settle on Wilks, he would need to hire 2 new coordinators. Something along the lines of Reich and Fangio would work. 

I hope Tepper talked to Wilks about that Tampa game. If he wants to be here longer than a year or two he has to cut the conservative play-not-to-lose crap. There is a reason why Rivera had so little success because coaches like Rivera, Fox and Wilks  depend so much on a coin flip. Hoping everything goes according to plan and if not just keep doing the same thing with no adjustments. 
It is why Fox and Rivera had so many losing seasons even though they had so much elite talent, and why during the few seasons everything clicked the Panthers were really good. 
TLDR: Wilks and Rivera style of coaching depends too much on luck. I would hope Tepper would tell Wilks that he has to change how he coaches or put him on a very short leash. 
I do not have much faith in interim HC being given the full time job. History says they just do not work out. 

  • Pie 1
  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, t96 said:

Payton then Steichen or bust for me dawg (unless Tepper is willing to come crying back to Harbaugh, which he should…)

I do not know if I can stomach an entire season of Wilks being our head coach. 
I was hoping when Rivera was fired I would never have to shout my complaints about him ever again. But looks like I may have to dust off the old things I would yell at my TV if Wilks is hired. 
I still can’t believe we have a Rivera-like coach in the top 3 when we were so glad to see Rivera gone. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • If we pay Bryce like a franchise QB we're completely and utterly buttfuged.
    • In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
    • If everything played out and that last thing happened, I probably just quit. 
×
×
  • Create New...