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PETER KING with the latest: there are several within Panthers organization that favor Bryce Young

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the “ball placement specialist” thing with Stroud really seems like branding that people have really lapped down

Young was fitting the ball into much tighter windows at Bama than Stroud was at OSU (and the advanced metrics that have been shared here back this up)

my real concern there is if Bryce has the arm strength to drive into those windows at the nfl…but with nfl windows being much larger than they used to be I think hes got a pretty high floor. 

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1 minute ago, Growl said:

the “ball placement specialist” thing with Stroud really seems like branding that people have really lapped down

Young was fitting the ball into much tighter windows at Bama than Stroud was at OSU (and the advanced metrics that have been shared here back this up)

my real concern there is if Bryce has the arm strength to drive into those windows at the nfl…but with nfl windows being much larger than they used to be I think hes got a pretty high floor. 

I'll take film all day over advanced metrics. Stroud can put the ball in spots where Young can't. Especially on deep outs. From the pocket as well. 

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9 hours ago, Donald LaFell said:

It’s a tough spot. With Cam the other QB options weren’t anywhere close. It was basically a choice between him or other blue chip talent at other positions. 
 

Stroud has the least compromises overall. 

In hindsight, sure. But there were a lot of folks around the league back in 2011 who preferred Blaine Gabbert as a prospect.

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Bryce Young has plenty of arm strength. I don't know where that narrative comes from. Stroud's is a little stronger, but let's not act like Young has a noodle arm.

Also, the narrative that Stroud's accuracy is somehow head and shoulders above Young is misleading as well. He's more accurate, yes, but it's not like Young isn't close. And on the run he's probably more accurate.

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with us drafting C.J. Stroud, but I think a lot of people here are majorly discounting what a special talent Bryce Young is due to his size.

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1 hour ago, Wolfcop said:

We finally have a chance to get the most accurate QB, one with prototypical size and arm strength. If we chase Mahomes magic by taking a player who doesn’t have his physical ability (or size), I’ll be disappointed. I’d support Young, but he is so tiny. I’d be holding my breath every play. 

I can't shake the feeling that in 3 years time people will be discussing how ludicrous it was that Young was ever in the conversation for #1 overall and of course he was going to bust.

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1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

I can't shake the feeling that in 3 years time people will be discussing how ludicrous it was that Young was ever in the conversation for #1 overall and of course he was going to bust.

I've my money on ppl thinking Bryce Young size talk was so RIDICULOUS kind of like Rashan Slater arm length or Kenny Pickett hand size etc...

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9 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

If you pick Young and he breaks in a year or two or can't stay on the field like Kyler has yet to, yeah GM gets fired for screwing up the #1 pick while STROUD is out there balling.

Young will have to play under center more, scramble less, get the ball out faster. That's a lot to improve plus he's undersized.

Too much risk for #1. Guys loving him up but when he breaks...

The reverse is also true.  If you pick Stroud and Young tears it up while Stroud has trouble transitioning, the GM may end up unemployed.

Both are pretty accurate, had decent weapons, sat behind excellent lines and faced tough competition.  Both have shown magic. 

Stroud is 5 inches taller, heavier, and appears to have  a slightly bigger arm.

Young just appears smarter, sneakier, and quicker than Stroud.    Its hard to measure those things, and who knows how either is going to progress in those areas.  We know Young is not going to get taller.   If Young was Stroud's height, I don't think there would be as many Stroud supporters. 

Right now, I'm leaning toward Young.  I'd like to watch Young's worst game, does anybody know what Young's worst game was?

 

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      How many Qbs can you name better than Bryce Young?

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