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David Newton: Panthers leaning toward Bryce Young


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29 minutes ago, Pantha-kun said:

If you think Stroud is anywhere near Bryce you draft Stroud and coach him up IMO. Because he has prototypical size and throwing ability that Bryce will probably never have. 

If there's a huge gap and Bryce is lightyears ahead of Stroud in terms of decision making and ability to play under pressure, then pick Bryce. 

I don't think the gap is that wide. Id be OKAY with Bryce but Id be ecstatic if we got CJ Stroud. 

Genuinely, what is there to coach up with Stroud?

His mechanics are picture perfect. Sure, you can help him with how he processes the game, but that also comes with experience. 

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1 minute ago, Cary Kollins said:

Newton may be a dolt but he’s got 1000x better access than anyone here, and that line about “Stroud isn’t better at anything except being taller” matches what every evaluator says. 

The question though is how much better.

As someone else mentioned, if the difference isn't meeting a significant threshold, you take the guy who doesn't have the durability question.

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11 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Newton may be a dolt but he’s got 1000x better access than anyone here, and that line about “Stroud isn’t better at anything except being taller” matches what every evaluator says. 

That is so incredibly easy to refute. It's nowhere close to accurate 

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20 minutes ago, poundaway said:

 

 

Lol no one knows because our staff hasn’t had their meeting two weeks before the draft like Fitt said. Any QB these “insiders” inquire about will be talked up and complimented because that’s how we operate now. They think it’s privileged info but they could literally ask about any QB and our staff will say they like them.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is a devastating blow to the Young contingent if you're at all familiar with David Newton's track record. If there's a worse team beat reporter out there I'm unaware of him or her.

Hope your wrong old mate Rippadonn doesn’t rate Young so he’s definitely gonna be elite 

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Ask for 2 and 12 first 

Man that would be incredible. A small part of me thinks they are wanting to trade back with them which would explain JSN coming in for a visit. I think it would be more like 1 and 32 then we use 32 and 39 to jump up and draft JSN to pair with our new QB. 

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