Betting odds have shifted

[ECHornet]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

Tepper hasn't won anything since buying this team and trading up to #1 this year just proves he is nowhere close to turning it around. Going with Young and watching him bust in the NFL will just be the cherry on top of the pile of crap he has turned this franchise into. It was sad in the Rhule times but now it's just a bottom dweller team doing bottom dweller things. Looking though this place and seeing the desperation and disconnection from reality is just sad. The owner that runs a team with a 29-53 (35% winning) record team is exactly what his record says he is. He is owner in the mold of Haslam and Johnson. It's time to accept the Panthers are the same as the Browns and the Jets at this point. Or don't and wonder why people look at you like you are a Browns or Jets fan lol. Adding his wife, who has zero meaningful experience in anything apparently, to the process is just his chefs kiss to the hilarity of his incompetence while making money hand over fist. 

[Wolfcop]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah like I said before the only way it happens is if the Texans fall in love with Young and offer something stupid.  I don't see it happening though.  We would also have Stroud rated very highly in this scenario.  

At some point, they will make an offer. It may be when we are on the clock, but it's coming. The question is, do we take it. 

[Mage]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Superior arm strength to who?!

His arm is on the same level as Brees, Bucs Brady, and Ryan.

[ncfan]

Texans seem to know or have a idea of who we’re drafting and looking towards Will Anderson and Building the roster 

 

[ncfan]

 

[top dawg]

Talking about salty.

[ncsfinest21]

man if tepper doesnt stop thinking feelings wins championships. i swear...

[ncsfinest21]

if anything he shouldve learned by now is whoever he wants pick opposite.

[ncfan]

Colts now going to meet with Stroud

 

[Hoenheim]

[Jon Snow]

39 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

It's been bad since 2012. A warning to those who think the top guy is a sure thing. 

[Tr3ach]

6 hours ago, ECHornet said:

I hate seeing this narrative that the Teppers are making the pick if it’s Young. 

That goes completely against what we’ve been told. Yes, it will be a collaborative effort, but ultimately Reich and Fitt will be making the decision. 
 

I feel like posters are pinning it on Tepper bc, if Bryce is the pick, they can’t deal with the fact that our veteran coaching staff prefers him over their guy. It would have to be owner influence instead of those posters poorly evaluating the best QB in the draft <eye roll>. 

They are blaming it on Tepper because they are refusing to admit to themselves that actual football people might think Young is a better prospect than Stroud because they dont want to be wrong.

[backINblack28]

50 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

2009 Rams - 1-15

2010 Panthers - 2-14

2012 Colts - 2-14

2012 Bills - 6-10 (this was a super weak QB draft--Geno Smith and Mike Glennon went after)

2013 Jags - 4-12

2014 Bucs - 2-14

2015 Rams - 7-9 (traded up)

2016 Bears - 3-13

2017 Browns - 0-16

2018 Cardinals - 3-13

 

The context here that most rookie QBs go into terrible rosters with unproven coaches here is relevant.  The 2015 Rams would seemingly be a more fair comparison, but with Jeff Fisher, they traded up to get Goff and then started Case Keenum for the first 9 games of the season, then Fisher got fired midway thru Goff starting 0-7.  

We are truly in a pretty unique situation.  I at least think it's plenty arguable that half of those QBs (as rookies) could be inserted onto this team with this staff and make the playoffs.

[Tr3ach]

5 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

All you Youngsters may get your way. I hope you don’t regret it a few years from now. Many analysts believe that Stroud is a better fit for the Panthers and has a higher ceiling, even those who think Young is better right now. We will see. I think we will all be pulling for whomever gets picked and hope he is an All-Pro. 

I think Young has a much higher ceiling while Stroud has a much higher floor.