Panthers over/under win totals

[CPantherKing]

1-5 in the division (possible 0-6). 4-13 overall (possible 2-15).

I know people don't want to think it, but this will be a rough season. It'll be even tougher come the 2024 draft with Caleb Williams and Drake Maye on the board. You thought the 2023 QB debate was tough?

There is some promise with the offensive staff over the next 3 to 5 years, but the trust in this front office is going to waste their coaching window.

[ickmule]

8 games tops. Said it before a day or so ago.  That’s about all we should expect. 

[NAS]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think that's pretty spot on. I would say 7-10 wins are about the band I would expect to see us be. Anything less or more would be a surprised. 

It is a lot of turnover on the roster and obviously with the staff. I would say we probably shouldn't be expecting Superb Owl's in Year One.

Big difference between 7 and 10

[NAS]

32 minutes ago, ickmule said:

8 games tops. Said it before a day or so ago.  That’s about all we should expect. 

I expect 9-10 win. Anything less than a winning record is a failure 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, NAS said:

Big difference between 7 and 10

Honestly, in a 17 game schedule, not a ton. That could be the difference between a couple of key injuries or just bad luck. 

I would be fine with anything in that range depending on the circumstances and how we look/play.

[Eric4280]

5 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

1-5 in the division (possible 0-6). 4-13 overall (possible 2-15).

I know people don't want to think it, but this will be a rough season. It'll be even tougher come the 2024 draft with Caleb Williams and Drake Maye on the board. You thought the 2023 QB debate was tough?

There is some promise with the offensive staff over the next 3 to 5 years, but the trust in this front office is going to waste their coaching window.

2-15 as a possibility? How is this talk allowed. Rookie or not, this is preposterous.

[weyco2000]

Damn if we’re gonna accept 7 or 8 wins, we should’ve just left the roster/staff the same. I’d be highly disappointed if we’re not over.500 and battling for a division championship.

[Eric4280]

2 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Damn if we’re gonna accept 7 or 8 wins, we should’ve just left the roster/staff the same. I’d be highly disappointed if we’re not over.500 and battling for a division championship.

Thank you for having expectation! Personally I’ve had none with this franchise for over 5 years and maybe it’s jumping the gun but I’m not limiting us to mediocrity.

[CPantherKing]

3 hours ago, Eric4280 said:

2-15 as a possibility? How is this talk allowed. Rookie or not, this is preposterous.

What is preposterous is saying Young has a high probability of getting to 9 wins or more. 2 to 4 wins is typical. For the amount the Panthers paid, he should have a winning season in year 1.

Peyton Manning 3 wins (failed with original coach)

John Elway 4 wins (failed with original coach)

Steve Young 1 win (failed with drafted team)

Troy Aikman 0 wins

Joe Namath 3 wins

Terry Bradshaw 3 wins

Jim Plunkett 6 wins (failed with drafted team)

Eli Manning 1 win

Matthew Stafford 2 wins (failed with drafted team)

All the SB winning QBs selected #1. Their rookie wins. Average is 2.6 wins.

[NAS]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

What is preposterous is saying Young has a high probability of getting to 9 wins or more. 2 to 4 wins is typical. For the amount the Panthers paid, he should have a winning season in year 1.

Peyton Manning 3 wins (failed with original coach)

John Elway 4 wins (failed with original coach)

Steve Young 1 win (failed with drafted team)

Troy Aikman 0 wins

Joe Namath 3 wins

Terry Bradshaw 3 wins

Jim Plunkett 6 wins (failed with drafted team)

Eli Manning 1 win

Matthew Stafford 2 wins (failed with drafted team)

All the SB winning QBs selected #1. Their rookie wins. Average is 2.6 wins.

Terrible take, they were on rebuilding teams with little talent around them. Panthers picked #1 because they traded up. They would have been a playoff team last year with a decent QB play and Bryce Young is as NFL ready as any QB in history 

Edited May 16, 2023 by NAS

[pantherj]

11 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

1-5 in the division (possible 0-6). 4-13 overall (possible 2-15).

I know people don't want to think it, but this will be a rough season. It'll be even tougher come the 2024 draft with Caleb Williams and Drake Maye on the board. You thought the 2023 QB debate was tough?

There is some promise with the offensive staff over the next 3 to 5 years, but the trust in this front office is going to waste their coaching window.

If that happened then you'd be looking at Corral pushing for the starting spot imo.

[WhoKnows]

16 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Makes sense. We have no idea how Young will look until the season begins. 

I would put my money on ATL this year.

 

Note: I want to be wrong and it's us who wins the division.

Yep. So many predictions are based on past history, not hope or assumptions. The first blurb even says the over 7.5 wins seems like a good play but we’ve got 5 straight years of 7 wins or less. We didn’t improve our run stopping and Carr could easily outplay our rookie so the odds are what they are. It’s funny how we obsess like that other thread said and look at this as some sort of slight or insult to us when we’ve been a 5-7 win team for 5 years. It’s not a slight, it’s just math. Maybe they are teasing all the NFC South fans (minus Tampa) to get upset and bet the over because there’s little chance we all go over. Most likely 1 of the 3 will.

[mrcompletely11]

53 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Yep. So many predictions are based on past history, not hope or assumptions. The first blurb even says the over 7.5 wins seems like a good play but we’ve got 5 straight years of 7 wins or less. We didn’t improve our run stopping and Carr could easily outplay our rookie so the odds are what they are. It’s funny how we obsess like that other thread said and look at this as some sort of slight or insult to us when we’ve been a 5-7 win team for 5 years. It’s not a slight, it’s just math. Maybe they are teasing all the NFC South fans (minus Tampa) to get upset and bet the over because there’s little chance we all go over. Most likely 1 of the 3 will.

We play baker 2x and we play 2 rookies whose teams had horrendous years last season with a ton of holes on their roster who are clearly rebuilding with first time coaches.  To me thats 4 wins.

I get its the nfl but to me finding another 4 should be pretty easy.   That gets us to 8, probably not good enough for the division but breaks the 7.5 over. 

[weyco2000]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Terrible take, they were on rebuilding teams with little talent around them. Panthers picked #1 because they traded up. They would have been a playoff team last year with a decent QB play and Bryce Young is as NFL ready as any QB in history 

Yeah, all those teams were awful, a majority of them rank in the top 10 of worst teams ever… not to mention the list includes guys drafted decades ago. The Jets (Namath) were not even a NFL team and the Patriots (Plunkett) were named The Boston Patriots.