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At this point in time, who feels like we lost this trade?

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strato Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Panthero said:

Of course you can. Quit trying to apply rationale to the topic. The emotional brain was fully in control. Statistics? No one gave a poo and guess what? It'll happen again. Particularly in cases of desperation when there is no hard evidence (in game performance) to the contrary. 

There are people in here right now that still, after all we have seen, have refused to accept any narrative that doesn’t have Bryce as the victim. You can’t fight that without getting worn out  

 

49 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

It wasn’t all speculation. For people who consume college football as much, if not more, than the NFL it was easy to see. Bryce doesn’t have the arm. He doesn’t have the extra elite traits to make up for his lack of traits. 
 

you don’t give up what we gave up for a guy who requires an offense of first round talent to succeed. You take a guy like Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Joe Burrow, etc. with that trade. Not a guy like Bryce. 


it was speculation until NFL games are in the books, because the people who will not accept what you are trying to tell them, can say you can’t prove that. 
Peyton had a horrible rookie year, never Jamarcus Russell had a horrible rookie year. 
Until Bryce throws his first NFL INT I couldn’t prove to some people that he was capable of throwing one. 

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15 hours ago, strato said:

Point is people were hammering people for saying truth, because it ruined your safe optimistic space. 

Whatever.

Yeah I stopped responding to the delusional excitement people had about Bryce. It was very unfair how an opinion would get pummeled. I didn’t expect Bryce to look so bad so fast, but I could not understand why the Panthers had a QB with zero plus physical traits at #1 overall. It made no sense. At the time, I believe I was more concerned with Bryce holding up physically. Based on how Bryce crumbles in the pocket I assume we all should have considered how Bryce could mentally crumble when he realized that he was physically overmatched.  This thread has a lot of receipts. A ton of hope and excitement was used by the huddle posters over analytics and logic. 

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13 minutes ago, Beast_3000 said:

Yeah I stopped responding to the delusional excitement people had about Bryce. It was very unfair how an opinion would get pummeled. I didn’t expect Bryce to look so bad so fast, but I could not understand why the Panthers had a QB with zero plus physical traits at #1 overall. It made no sense. At the time, I believe I was more concerned with Bryce holding up physically. Based on how Bryce crumbles in the pocket I assume we all should have considered how Bryce could mentally crumble when he realized that he was physically overmatched.  This thread has a lot of receipts. A ton of hope and excitement was used by the huddle posters over analytics and logic. 

Delusional is an excellent description. And don’t wake me up with factual stuff like he 15-20 pounds lighter and a good 2” shorter than Brees. Hell no. Don‘t look at that hitch in his footwork or how he really has to give all his effort to throw balls that guys flick their wrists to make the same or better throws. It is right there on video. 

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20 minutes ago, Beast_3000 said:

Yeah I stopped responding to the delusional excitement people had about Bryce. It was very unfair how an opinion would get pummeled. I didn’t expect Bryce to look so bad so fast, but I could not understand why the Panthers had a QB with zero plus physical traits at #1 overall. It made no sense. At the time, I believe I was more concerned with Bryce holding up physically. Based on how Bryce crumbles in the pocket I assume we all should have considered how Bryce could mentally crumble when he realized that he was physically overmatched.  This thread has a lot of receipts. A ton of hope and excitement was used by the huddle posters over analytics and logic. 

Yup. There where guys here fight8ng the mania but I didn't feel like wasting time on it either. Just read, drop a pie or beer for support and save so many water minuets of bickering with people foaming at the mouth.

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9 hours ago, strato said:

There are people in here right now that still, after all we have seen, have refused to accept any narrative that doesn’t have Bryce as the victim. You can’t fight that without getting worn out  

 


it was speculation until NFL games are in the books, because the people who will not accept what you are trying to tell them, can say you can’t prove that. 
Peyton had a horrible rookie year, never Jamarcus Russell had a horrible rookie year. 
Until Bryce throws his first NFL INT I couldn’t prove to some people that he was capable of throwing one. 

Fully agree. Just pointing out that it's a real (and common) phenomenon. Best to try to profit off of it. Hard to do in this case. 

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2 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Fully agree. Just pointing out that it's a real (and common) phenomenon. Best to try to profit off of it. Hard to do in this case. 

I’m trying to ease out of the Bryce arguments because the only ones left are not rational about it. 
 

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23 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Everyone needs to read back through this thread so we know who not to listen to moving forward. A lot of these names haven’t been around as much which tells me they know it. 

I laughed so hard reading this thread. Thank you for bumping this.

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18 minutes ago, strato said:

I’m trying to ease out of the Bryce arguments because the only ones left are not rational about it. 
 

Cool. Preciate the discussion.

Yeah, I'm an economist, the decision now is simple. Forgetting cost, If you think the guy is a quality starter or backup fair enough, try and salvage. If not move on. The trade fleecing can only be made worse, trying to "get right" for something that's already happened.  

People who continue to try and save face for a mistake (Tepper) are doomed to being held hostage by people judging your past. fug em! 

 

P.s. I'm sure most of my takes were (are) terrible, so I'm not dissing anyone, just interested in the behavior. Mania is intriguing, as I try to navigate the investment world. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Cool. Preciate the discussion.

Yeah, I'm an economist, the decision now is simple. Forgetting cost, If you think the guy is a quality starter or backup fair enough, try and salvage. If not move on. The trade fleecing can only be made worse, trying to "get right" for something that's already happened.  

People who continue to try and save face for a mistake (Tepper) are doomed to being held hostage by people judging your past. fug em! 

 

That's one expensive ass back up

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1 minute ago, Panthero said:

Cool. Preciate the discussion.

Yeah, I'm an economist, the decision now is simple. Forgetting cost, If you think the guy is a quality starter or backup fair enough, try and salvage. If not move on. The trade fleecing can only be made worse, trying to "get right" for something that's already happened.  

People who continue to try and save face for a mistake (Tepper) are doomed to being held hostage by people judging your past. fug em! 

 

Me too. I am going to try and find discussion about the team not Bryce. The rest of them.  So I am sure we will cross paths. 

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41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I laughed so hard reading this thread. Thank you for bumping this.

I got more bro. You’re an OG, you’ve been around for as long as I have. Many of us remember because a lot of us left the board when the Bryce slobber began. 
 

What shocks me is that the talking heads in football television genuinely think the Panthers are the issue with Bryce. Bryce is the issue with Bryce. 

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