REPORT: Panthers and Brian Burns not at all close to extension

[TheCasillas]

4 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Why would Fitt, or any GM for that matter, have to feel the need to make a special conference in order to let the media know anything about any contract negotiation? fug the media.

Not just that… teams don’t do spontaneous interviews with executive staff. This is a requirement of the nfl… they tell teams when their executive staff need to speak to media. 

[BlackPanther22]

19 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Not just that… teams don’t do spontaneous interviews with executive staff. This is a requirement of the nfl… they tell teams when their executive staff need to speak to media. 

Yeaaaahhh, that’s solely on the media for not asking. Most of our media people are solid but there are some that were asking about a lot less important things than Burns’ contract last week. 

[pantherdad]

Joe Burrow just became the highest paid player in NFL history at $275 million. Suddenly the money Brian Burns wants seems like chump change.

[Rubi]

Turning down that Rams offer is so cringe right now. Those extra picks would’ve been fantastic for an actual rebuild.

You can sign several damn good defensive players with $30 mil vs just 1. 

this team is the football version of the hornets since Tepper took over. 

Edited September 8, 2023 by Rubi

[CamWhoaaCam]

10 minutes ago, Rubi said:

Turning down that Rams offer is so cringe right now. Those extra picks would’ve been fantastic for an actual rebuild.

You can sign several damn good defensive players with $30 mil vs just 1. 

this team is the football version of the hornets since Tepper took over. 

Since when has unproven talent been fantastic?

 

There's no guarantee we hit on those picks and one of those picks would have surely been used on a DE to replace Burns. Is a extra 1st worth losing our pass rush in Burns?

 

I think not. Also we would be in rebuild mode at that point. We literally just traded all our vets in CMC/Moore/Burns.

 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

32 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Since when has unproven talent been fantastic?

 

There's no guarantee we hit on those picks and one of those picks would have surely been used on a DE to replace Burns. Is a extra 1st worth losing our pass rush in Burns?

 

I think not. Also we would be in rebuild mode at that point. We literally just traded all our vets in CMC/Moore/Burns.

 

 

At this point we are in a rebuild mode. New QB, unproven WRs, a lot of new young players on offense and defense. Also, with those extra picks we may not have had to trade DJ. 

With the 2nd this year there were a couple of good DE prospects we could have grabbed. Yeah we would have missed Burns, but we would actually be able to build around our rookie QB. 

You also need to remember that BY isn't a sure thing either. You're acting like he's a guaranteed HoF and he hasn't taken a single game snap yet. 

We need to sign Burns but we don't need to break the bank to do it. We still need to re sign Chinn, Brown, Luvu. There's only so much to go around. 

I'm good with Burns at 26-28 with 80 guaranteed. He's not Bosa and doesn't deserve that level of a contract. Fitts fuged all this up with how he handled the trade offer and the pressers following.

I don't blame Burns for wanting to get his. But if we're going to build a perennial winner we can't have 4-5 elite salaried players and a whole bunch of JAGs because that's all we can afford. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

At this point we are in a rebuild mode. New QB, unproven WRs, a lot of new young players on offense and defense. Also, with those extra picks we may not have had to trade DJ. 

With the 2nd this year there were a couple of good DE prospects we could have grabbed. Yeah we would have missed Burns, but we would actually be able to build around our rookie QB. 

You also need to remember that BY isn't a sure thing either. You're acting like he's a guaranteed HoF and he hasn't taken a single game snap yet. 

We need to sign Burns but we don't need to break the bank to do it. We still need to re sign Chinn, Brown, Luvu. There's only so much to go around. 

I'm good with Burns at 26-28 with 80 guaranteed. He's not Bosa and doesn't deserve that level of a contract. Fitts fuged all this up with how he handled the trade offer and the pressers following.

I don't blame Burns for wanting to get his. But if we're going to build a perennial winner we can't have 4-5 elite salaried players and a whole bunch of JAGs because that's all we can afford. 

I hate to break it to you but elite players have to be paid. We just can't keep trading our elite guys for picks. That's how you stay in a rebuild.

 

Brown has to be paid. Horn has to be paid. Are we going to trade them to when it's time give them an extension?

 

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

1 hour ago, Rubi said:

Turning down that Rams offer is so cringe right now. Those extra picks would’ve been fantastic for an actual rebuild.

You can sign several damn good defensive players with $30 mil vs just 1. 

this team is the football version of the hornets since Tepper took over. 

We coulda had Bryce Young throwing to Marvin Harrison Jr. on rookies deals LMFAO

 

[PantherKyle]

Not much is as maddening to me as panther fans treatment of Brian burns. The dude is special, young, and not even in his prime. You pay home grown talents at premium positions. The contract won’t be top 5 in a few years. Secure him with a rookie qb. It’s a no brainer. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

42 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I hate to break it to you but elite players have to be paid. We just can't keep trading our elite guys for picks. That's how you stay in a rebuild.

 

Brown has to be paid. Horn has to be paid. Are we going to trade them to when it's time give them an extension?

 

 

If they're asking for well beyond their production, absolutely. Like I said, this isn't about Burns getting paid. He deserves to get paid as a high level pass rush specialist. He is not a complete defensive player at this point in his career. That's not talking bad about him or calling him a crap player. He's very good against the pass and below average against the run. In 4 years he's never taken over a game defensively. Elite players do that. Paying him a Bosa size contract is stupid because he's not a Bosa caliber player. 

Like I said, I'm not pissed at Burns. I'm pissed at Fitts for how badly he's handled this. Every bit of this was predictable. If we're going to rebuild, rebuild. Don't do this half ass pretend we're a QB away from being a contender BS. 

[Jackie Lee]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If they're asking for well beyond their production, absolutely. Like I said, this isn't about Burns getting paid. He deserves to get paid as a high level pass rush specialist. He is not a complete defensive player at this point in his career. That's not talking bad about him or calling him a crap player. He's very good against the pass and below average against the run. In 4 years he's never taken over a game defensively. Elite players do that. Paying him a Bosa size contract is stupid because he's not a Bosa caliber player. 

Like I said, I'm not pissed at Burns. I'm pissed at Fitts for how badly he's handled this. Every bit of this was predictable. If we're going to rebuild, rebuild. Don't do this half ass pretend we're a QB away from being a contender BS. 

His philosophy was have your roster so you can drop the rookie QB in, now it seems like we got the QB and have a buncha holes lol...b4 game 1 at that...

 

[CamWhoaaCam]

14 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If they're asking for well beyond their production, absolutely. Like I said, this isn't about Burns getting paid. He deserves to get paid as a high level pass rush specialist. He is not a complete defensive player at this point in his career. That's not talking bad about him or calling him a crap player. He's very good against the pass and below average against the run. In 4 years he's never taken over a game defensively. Elite players do that. Paying him a Bosa size contract is stupid because he's not a Bosa caliber player. 

Like I said, I'm not pissed at Burns. I'm pissed at Fitts for how badly he's handled this. Every bit of this was predictable. If we're going to rebuild, rebuild. Don't do this half ass pretend we're a QB away from being a contender BS. 

Just because we are not a contender doesn't mean we should trade all of our elite players. If this was a full rebuild Burns would be on the Rams right now.

 

Burns was obviously in our long term plans if we turned down 2 1st.

 

Contract will get done. I don't care too much what it is as long as it's reasonable. 

[SmittysLawnGuy]

4 hours ago, Rubi said:

Turning down that Rams offer is so cringe right now. Those extra picks would’ve been fantastic for an actual rebuild.

You can sign several damn good defensive players with $30 mil vs just 1. 

this team is the football version of the hornets since Tepper took over. 

Sadly you are right, colud be the number 1 pick next year, if we believe in Bryce, I'm sure you know what that could net us, yes people Brian Burns may have cost us 6 firsts.

Edited September 8, 2023 by SmittysLawnGuy

[KSpan]

7 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Just because we are not a contender doesn't mean we should trade all of our elite players. If this was a full rebuild Burns would be on the Rams right now.

 

Burns was obviously in our long term plans if we turned down 2 1st.

 

Contract will get done. I don't care too much what it is as long as it's reasonable. 

The front office, maybe even including Tepper, misjudging where the team was at and the work required to turn things around with a new staff, new schemes, new QB, new skill position players, etc, does not mean it's not a rebuid or restart. It pretty clearly is. To your original question no, you don't always trade players that need to be paid, but in some situations it makes sense to do so. This was one of them and they blew it, a bounty of picks to grow with a shiny new rookie QB and a ton of cap room for a guy that is driving to be paid more than his on-field contribution to date. MAybe he earns it and grows into a more complete player. Only time will tell.

The flip argument here is that a team doesn't always have to hang on to every one of their good players - that can be a path to cap purgatory. See Deangelo and Stewart, Olsen, TD, etc.