REPORT: Panthers and Brian Burns not at all close to extension

[KSpan]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Who we signing with that cap?

 

The FA class for WR's was suspect. Also are those weapons trying to come to a rebuilding team and a rookie QB?

 

You have these assumptions, but it's not that easy. You have to have vet players on your roster to attract other good players. FA's are not looking to join rebuilding rosters with no identity.

 

Im more upset that we traded Moore over Burns. If we drafting a rookie QB it would have made more sense to keep the vet WR in his prime.

 

Im open to trading Burns but it has to be the right deal.

It's not my job to figure all of this out, but it's obvious that having more draft picks and salary cap room with a quality young receiver for your rookie QB is better than not having any of those things. 

To your second point, DJ is one season older than Burns, so keeping him and letting Burns go would be a wash. Having Burns here is not going to attract anyone - that is overblown. Players have their motivations, but playing along with your thinking it would be pretty attractive to have a bounty of picks and cap.

And you say you're open, but there was a deal last year for 2 1sts and what ended up being basically a 1st. If that deal isn't/wasn't good enough for someone then they aren't actually open to trading in a realistic sense. 

[Ornias]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I don't think the Rams deal was the right deal.

 

I think the deal with Chicago should have been Burns instead of Moore. That's the deal Fitt missed. Bryce has his #1 WR from day 1. Maybe instead of picking Mingo in the 2nd round we draft a pass rusher.

 

Offense seems more formidable with Moore/Sanders/Thielen as your skill players. Now that's how you make your young rookie QB more comfortable give him proven talent around him he can trust from day 1.

It never made sense to draft a QB but trade your best receiver. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

I don't think the Rams deal was the right deal.

 

 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Fitt is not in this along. Teppers signs off on these deals. Also Tepper went hard after Deshaun Watson. Lets not place all the blame on Fitt.

that's why the post you quoted said I would take issue with the front office.   

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Offense seems more formidable with Moore/Sanders/Thielen as your skill players. Now that's how you make your young rookie QB more comfortable give him proven talent around him he can trust from day 1.

Fitt also gave Young a backfield of rushers and not a single proven pass catcher.   

Miles Sanders to date is a decent committee rusher.  That's what he has proven to be.  We should be forced into a lot of passing this year.   Young needs a reliable pass catcher in the backfield.  Not hope/belief.  

Fitt IMO hasn't done a great job around his #1 overall rookie QB.    Much like is preseason, the rookie is going to have to play extremely well for us to compete IMO given what he has around him.  

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

We should be forced into a lot of passing this year.

Why do you say this with certainty?

[CRA]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

Why do you say this with certainty?

Our recent past and the fact we haven't been a good football team.  Then you look at life of the standard great rookie QB drafted high.   We traded CMC.  Combine all that. 

If we play a good football team, we are going to have to pass to attempt to compete.  Plus, the league is designed for that to be how you move the ball. 

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I mean Bryce Young didn't come free...

 

I said I wish he traded Burns instead of Moore in that scenario. He got Mingo in the 2nd so lets not judge him until we see what we have in Mingo.

Mingo is still a rookie.  The bar and load some are expecting from them just unreasonable.  They both have to learn and grow.  Time.  Not carry the pass game out the gate. 

was TMJ ready for a big load as a rookie? Nah. And that's normal.  And he was a better collegiate WR than Mingo. 

I mean, anything can happen. But expectations should not be for the exception of things. And then doing that across the board for everyone. 

Bryce Young being better than every other uber talented highly drafted QB out the gate. 

Mingo being a day 1 contributor. 

Miles Sanders going from being bad for years in the pass game to being CMC lite. 

Chark staying healthy

Theilen hitting a time machine

and on and on. 

 

[TheCasillas]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Our recent past and the fact we haven't been a good football team.  Then you look at life of the standard great rookie QB drafted high.   We traded CMC.  Combine all that. 

If we play a good football team, we are going to have to pass to attempt to compete.  Plus, the league is designed for that to be how you move the ball. 

I disagree with this take. It's a completely new system, and we will be a run heavy offense. Even in the Athletic article is was acknlowedged by league execs that we will be a team that relies on it's defense and running offense. 

If we are able run the ball... then i dont think the two reasons you have shared plays any role in how our offense is run.  

Edited September 8, 2023 by TheCasillas

[Swaggasaurus]

DJ Moore was not a game breaker. Full stop. DJ Moore broke one game and then got a penalty and lost us the game. Good player, but I can’t believe some of y’all are suggested we should’ve traded Burns instead of Moore. Ewwww.

[ForJimmy]

I feel confident that no one confidently knows how we are going to look this season. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

DJ Moore was not a game breaker. Full stop. DJ Moore broke one game and then got a penalty and lost us the game. Good player, but I can’t believe some of y’all are suggested we should’ve traded Burns instead of Moore. Ewwww.

I mean, if the primary focus is and should be about growing your #1 overall QB.....I'd rather have Moore.  

What the most important thing in Carolina right now? How many wins you squeak out or how good you can get Bryce Young going? 

[csx]

20 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I said from the beginning I was never a fan of the Rams trade.

 

I think the real missed opportunity was trading Moore instead of Burns. I think Moore made more sense to keep in that scenario given we were trading for our young franchise QB. Instead of having to rely on other young WR's we would have Moore/Thielen two reliable targets for a young QB.

 

That Burns trade made more sense then trading him for 2 more rookies. That's just me though, I can respect others opinion if they disagree.

There are 2 partners in a trade. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

31 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm a Burns fan. 

I'm not a fan of our GM doing dumb stuff.  Hopefully Fitt gets him signed to a reasonable deal.  And if he doesn't?  I won't have an issue with Burns.  I'll have an issue with the front office. 

I feel like taking that deal for Burns only works out if we're committing to a full scale rebuild which we aren't. 3 picks in 3 separate drafts we wouldn't have been able to replace Burns this year with that. And while we wait for year 2 or 3 of the rebuild we are also wasting the years and rookie contracts of Derrick Brown, Jaycee Horn, Chinn, and even Young. whereas with Burns it gives us a more complete defense. Hopefully a top 10 at worst top 15 unit this year (hopefully). Next year when we have even more ammunition we could see a nice 3-5 year window with this core of players and hopefully have a Seahawks LoB/Russell Wilson type team if it all works out.