Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Offensive philosophy


lightsout
 Share

Recommended Posts

I found myself recently rewatching Bama vs Michigan in the Orange Bowl. Tom Brady leading the Wolverines against Shaun Alexander's Tide.

The offensive philosophy of the game definitely shifted to spread a decade after that game, and with that came athletes redesigning themselves to fit that mold. Slimmer, faster, twitchier, more elusive. Gone are the gigantic warriors, the bruising backs, and the art of play action (I haven't seen a hard bite from a secondary on a play action in forever it seems). Now it's speed, speed, and more speed. Instead of plugging for 3-4 yards with the hopes of wearing down the defense and hitting the big one, it's pass for 4-7 yards with the hopes of your playmaker popping one.

 

Let's be honest with ourselves...this current era offense is fuging boring. Everybody here knows it. You bitch about it weekly. "dink and dunk offense", "no down field shots". Look around the league. Everybody is running similar poo, they just have speed to do it. Throw the obligatory shot, sometimes your guy wins the foot race but most often? Crossing route or screen and hope. 

There's no mind games with defenses. No defense is overly concerned with stopping the run. You have strong run games still for sure, but nothing approaching 2000-2009. 

Saquon should be this generation's Adrian Peterson, and would be...if they had a philosophy of "here are variations of I and single back, we're gonna make you suffer for all 30+ carries he gets". But of course he can't because finding 5 road paving OL on the same team is rare now, let alone a fullback since they all either became linebackers or tight ends.

Which brings me to us. If you ask me, Bryce would benefit most from his football IQ if he had the flexibility of yesteryear offenses. Remember QB play back then? They come to the line, you're reasonably sure the call is this, but then the entire formation shifts, now you've got no clue. Then the big play hits. You don't see that kind of poo anymore. Even better when there's just a subtle hot call. Jake and Smitty provided some of their best with the simple helmet tap.

Maybe it's nostalgia. Maybe it's the pain of this team right now. Maybe it's me hitting old age in my 30s and missing what used to be and hating these kids that are on my lawn. But who here wouldn't take a Davis/Stewart type back with this current roster and see if we can cook something up? Beats the poo out of watching 4 yard passes knowing we don't have the athletes to really break one for 40 plays every game.

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, KSpan said:

I went to a local high school football game the other week where the teams scored 99 total points and the game lasted over 3 hours. It really was incredibly boring.

 

See I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not because I know people genuinely love it too. But I'd be like "fug this". Seeing two defenses fail for that long isn't exciting to me.

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree in a sense. I hate today's dink-and-dunk approach, but that cuts both ways. Back in the day (I'm talking farther back than the 2000s) it wasn't uncommon to see QBs with completion percentages around 50% because 1) defenses could get away with a LOT more, and 2) offenses were looking to get chunk plays when they threw the ball, not 4-5 yards on a screen pass.

It's just the evolution of the game. I'm sure in 30 years they'll be complaining about something else. Just the way it is.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

24 minutes ago, lightsout said:

 

See I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not because I know people genuinely love it too. But I'd be like "fug this". Seeing two defenses fail for that long isn't exciting to me.

I'm 100% serious. To expand on that, the Rams/Chiefs game a few years back that so many rave about was some of the most boring crap football I've watched in a long time. Ridiculously overrated.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ellis posted on Twitter last night our personnel groupings so far this season.

11 Personnel (1TE 3WR)- 187 plays (92.1%)

12 Personnel (2TE 2WR)- 10 plays (4.9%)

01 Personnel (1 TE 4 WR)- 6 plays (3.0%)

Talk about some fuging garbage. 92% in one personnel grouping. I'm not even mad that we haven't ran 21 and 22 personnel (even though that is what our OL is built for) since we are in the West Coast Spread, but for god's sake can we switch up personnel groupings just a little more. Hell throw in a 10 or 13 personnel or something. 

Edited by Cdparr7
  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Ellis posted on Twitter last night our personnel groupings so far this season.

11 Personnel (1TE 3WR)- 187 plays (92.1%)

12 Personnel (2TE 2WR)- 10 plays (4.9%)

01 Personnel (1 TE 4 WR)- 6 plays (3.0%)

Talk about some fuging garbage. 92% in one personnel grouping. I'm not even mad that we haven't ran 21 and 22 personnel (even though that is what our OL is built for) since we are in the West Coast Spread, but for god's sake can we switch up personnel groupings just a little more. Hell throw in a 10 or 13 personnel or something. 

Inside story of Carolina Panthers' 1st game with Frank Reich | Charlotte  Observer

Link to comment
Share on other sites

40 minutes ago, Cdparr7 said:

Ellis posted on Twitter last night our personnel groupings so far this season.

11 Personnel (1TE 3WR)- 187 plays (92.1%)

12 Personnel (2TE 2WR)- 10 plays (4.9%)

01 Personnel (1 TE 4 WR)- 6 plays (3.0%)

Talk about some fuging garbage. 92% in one personnel grouping. I'm not even mad that we haven't ran 21 and 22 personnel (even though that is what our OL is built for) since we are in the West Coast Spread, but for god's sake can we switch up personnel groupings just a little more. Hell throw in a 10 or 13 personnel or something. 

Figured we would run more 2TE sets considering we kept 37.3 TE’s on the roster. 

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

OP, it sounds like you would have enjoyed if we just ran it back with Wilks and co, who did just what you are describing with a power run game to put the QB in the best possible situation. 
 

Wilks of course had Darnold, yet managed to finish 4-2.

 

A lot of people will excuse away that success, but it was success. 
 

I’m 37, so maybe we are just two old farts, but I saw Wilks philosophy as a smart approach in a league with only a handful of elite QB’s, with high odds that you won’t have one of those guys. 
 

It was fun watching us physically dominate with a power run game, but people don’t want that. They want to win the Mahomes way…but finding a Mahomes is damn hard. People don’t think about that part. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I gave you a full breakdown and examples from last year as to why I think it's unfair to expect 1k from T-Mac this year if everyone stays healthy. But the TLDR version is we will have 4 legitimately good WRs next year, most rookies who get to 1,000 yards don't have any others on the team with them let alone 3 others, it will be hard for him to put up 1k with out the others being injured or falling short of expectations themselves, but in 2026 without Thielen it's different.
    • Ulcerative Colitis is not CTE. 
    • Last year Thielen had 615 yards in 10 games (had more ypg than his 1k season in 23).  XL had 497 in 16 games with tons of drops and Coker had 478 in 11. They also only had only 192 of our 518 targets to get those numbers. So if Thielen has 1,000 yards again, XL and Coker each improve to say 600 yards each, and T-Mac comes in at 800 yards, you're going to say that's not good enough?  Especially if he ends up with close to, if not getting to, double digit TD's like I think he will, as he's going to be a red zone monster for Bryce? Because if that's the breakdown of just the Top 4 and Bryce plays all 17 games, he's going to be pushing a 4,000 yard season as the TEs, RBs, and other WRs will probably add up to 750-1k yards as well, and I think that would be far more than anyone here could be expecting of him this season. Last year the Giants only had 2 players with more than 331 yards besides Nabers and they were 699 and 573 while Nabers "only" had 1,200 yards (granted in 15 games).  While the Jags second leading receiving was a TE with 411 yards and BTJ also "only" had 1,282 but in all 17 games. If everyone stays healthy and XL/Coker have improved, I think Bryce is going to spread the ball around rather than focus on T-Mac in a way that most of the 1k rookies have been able to get. Again I point to MHJ and the Cardinals last year. They had 3,859 yards receiving.   McBride had 1,146, MHJ had 885, then their 3rd and 4th in rec yards were 548 and 414. Take the 146 and 85 that McBride/MHJ had over my example for our guys and give them to the other two and they get to 7 yards shy of the 600 I'm using for XL/Coker, while the rest of the team added up to 866 yards. So, if you expect T-Mac to get to 1k, where are you taking those yards from? if anything, XL and Coker each getting 600 yards seems like a low projection, so they wouldn't come from there. Maybe they come from Thielen now that we have T-Mac as the true #1.  But I think if anything, having T-Mac draw attention will just make it easier for Thielen to get open and him and Bryce have great chemistry already, he's not going to stop throwing his way if he can pick up easy chunks of yards there. So maybe they come from the RBs, TEs, other WRs, but it's I think a very fair example to show why expecting 1,000 yards if everyone stays healthy isn't necessarily fair to him. It's also why I said I'd then expect at least 1,200 yards in 2026, as once Thielen leave and all 3 of T-Mac/XL/Coker get better, they absorb that 1,000 yards Thielen leaves behind with T-Mac probably taking close to half of it and the other two splitting up the other half.
×
×
  • Create New...