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The impressive throw you wanted from Bryce

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I'm just trying to understand why so many are stuck on drooling over players from other teams at this point. 

It doesn't matter if Stroud is a HOFer in 3 years and Bryce is out of the NFL next year. Bryce is the Panthers' QB. Stround is the Texans QB. That ain't gonna change. It would make more sense to compare him to 2nd round QBs in next year's draft or 1st rounders in 2025. 

No one can argue against Stroud having the most success thus far - 4 games in, or that AR looks like Cam lite. No one. But unless you're just gonna switch to a Texans or Colts fan, then it makes no sense to dog your QB out and overanalyze him because he isn't another rookie QB taken 1-2 picks after him in the draft. Stroud missed throws. AR misses reads. Every QB that has ever played does. We don't know who Bryce will ultimately be, after 3 friggin games. 

I didn't want the Panthers to move up to #1 to get any QB in this draft. I thought we needed more playmakers and actual WRs before bringing in a rookie QB, for the reasons we're seeing Bryce struggling now. But Bryce is a Panther now. So he's my guy until he isn't. 

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1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

I'm just trying to understand why so many are stuck on drooling over players from other teams at this point. 

It doesn't matter if Stroud is a HOFer in 3 years and Bryce is out of the NFL next year. Bryce is the Panthers' QB. Stround is the Texans QB. That ain't gonna change. It would make more sense to compare him to 2nd round QBs in next year's draft or 1st rounders in 2025. 

No one can argue against Stroud having the most success thus far - 4 games in, or that AR looks like Cam lite. No one. But unless you're just gonna switch to a Texans or Colts fan, then it makes no sense to dog your QB out and overanalyze him because he isn't another rookie QB taken 1-2 picks after him in the draft. Stroud missed throws. AR misses reads. Every QB that has ever played does. We don't know who Bryce will ultimately be, after 3 friggin games. 

I didn't want the Panthers to move up to #1 to get any QB in this draft. I thought we needed more playmakers and actual WRs before bringing in a rookie QB, for the reasons we're seeing Bryce struggling now. But Bryce is a Panther now. So he's my guy until he isn't. 

It's gives a standard to what a first round rookie qb should look like

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It was a nice throw. I'm not anti-Bryce. I want to see more nice throws. I'd be happy as hell to be wrong about my doubts.

I think we all would.  I wanted CJ when I heard about the trade up, but I was bamboozled by all the hype around Bryce's ability to read the field etc.  Other than Tepper selling the team to a good owner, there is nothing I would want more for this team than Bryce to be legit.  But that doesn't change the reality of what we've seen so far.

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40 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

A donkey could run the sh!t we’re running on offense right now which seems to be the extent of Reich’s system so why in the hell did we take some “super processor” and not the guy with the size, mobility and best natural arm 

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Given what we’ve seen this actually makes a lot of sense. We’d still be f’d but at least we’d have our 1st rounder and DJ Moore

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8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Based on what?

Person gets a lot of sh!t around here but he’s a pretty reliable source. He isn’t always right but from what we’ve seen from Bryce in 3 games and Dalton in 1, I think it makes sense Reich would have wanted Carr. It really does look like Frank doesn’t trust Bryce. The decision to try and move up to 1 happened well before Frank got here. I mean I knew they were going to try to get up to 1 before Frank got here. I think Frank is a terrible HC but this whole Bryce thing falls more on Tepper/Fitterer than it does Frank

And to be clear it ultimately doesn’t matter who’s to blame for this we’re stuck in this situation now. We already know we have a David Tepper problem on our hands. I said the other day, he wanted fields and let Matt/Scott take Jaycee, he wasnt about to let the QB of his choice get overruled again

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      If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either. What the Panthers didn't realize when they got so obsessed with his "PG mentality" was that what they were looking st was a "barely checks the box PG". The basketball equivalent of Bryce would be an undersized PG with marginal athleticism who can make the basic plays but adds nothing to the team in terms of elevating the overall team. Not a great shooter, not a great defender, not a great driver. Just a guy who can basically get you into the offense and be a matador on defense. Basically a placeholder while you look to upgrade the PG position. 
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