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Bryce is going to be a good QB btw...

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toldozer Grand Master

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1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

So no you didn’t realize that. 

He placed the ball where Hurst had no chance to catch it. The worst part of that play was the play call on 4th and 1 to try the throw so yes I suppose it's possible there was miscommunication since it was idiotic for that to be the throw in the first place

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10 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Rewatch the game from today, watch all Tua’s deep passes. Clean pocket, plenty of room in front of him. We have probably the worst interior OL in the NFL and pressure up the middle is going to majorly affect a quarterbacks accuracy. You can not just sit there and say pressure doesn’t matter. Pressure is going to majorly impact any quarterback attempting a deep pass.

His go ball is definitely off rn and he will have to work on throwing it in tighter spaces. I don’t think he trusts Chark either, who is really our only go ball option.

Yeah, if we recreate the Dolphins or Niners situation then Bryce has a chance. What's our chances of recreating those scenarios though? Good OL, offensive genius of a coach, elite weapons everywhere. That's all we need.

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3 minutes ago, toldozer said:

He placed the ball where Hurst had no chance to catch it. The worst part of that play was the play call on 4th and 1 to try the throw so yes I suppose it's possible there was miscommunication since it was idiotic for that to be the throw in the first place

He placed the ball where he thought Hurst was supposed to be. Had Hurst not tried to break it off towards the front pylon and went for the back one it would’ve hit him 

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1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:


like I said, I can’t write this kid off until they get him a WR worth a damn. Can’t imagine many others teams separation numbers look like this after a game 

When you're consistently throwing the ball within 5 yards from the los your numbers will be bad regardless. I feel like shenault can run routes other then a bubble screen. The wrs aren't good but oline and play calling aren't helping

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1 minute ago, toldozer said:

And you know the route that was called?

Good lord man. Do you have eyes? Hurst was trying to get to the front pylon. Bryce threw it to the back. I don’t know whose was in the wrong but that’s why the throw landed 5 yards away from Hurst 

It’s sad this even needed to be explained. 

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15 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

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Well we know no one is scared of Shenault as a receiver. Mingo is a rookie. TMJ just stinks. Chark is becoming a victim of both poor coaching and defenses playing him differently knowing we haven't had a good downfield pass in weeks. Let's be honest. The last one was in Seattle.

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28 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Can’t go vertical, he just can not do it. Take it out of the playbook. Doesn’t have the arm strength.

This was 2 years ago which is further away from relevant.....i have stated plenty of times on here if you watch his tape in 2021 and compare it to 2022 his throws were not the same. 2021 he was rifling all over the place off arm strength and didnt have to put so much of his body into his throws like he does now. Last year, his balls were sailing, under thrown, or just flat out inaccurate. Now Apparently a lot of that has carried over to the pros. 

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Well we know no one is scared of Shenault as a receiver. Mingo is a rookie. TMJ just stinks. Chark is becoming a victim of both poor coaching and defenses playing him differently knowing we haven't had a good downfield pass in weeks. Let's be honest. The last one was in Seattle.

I don’t think Chark is much of a route runner to begin with. Basically a go or a deep over type guy and that’s about it. So far Mingo’s route running has been awful. Rookie or not he’s been playing WR for too long for him to be making the mistakes he’s made. Yeah TMJ stinks period 
 

But yeah obviously I’ve had my concerns with Bryce but I thought he’s shown some good stuff the last 2 games. Against some pretty good defenses with Adam Thielen being his only “weapon”

 

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